The Brahe system gets a boost by the passage of Joshua 10:12-13 where it is said the sun was in the midst of heaven. Therefore, some placement of the sun centrally is justified per that thinking. NO GARY, IF WE INSIST UPON ACCURACY ALL THE TIME, then wecannot interpret midst as meaning centre or middle. In fact it does not mean such.... midst means among... and as viewed from earth it is among the stars and other celestial bodies. However the dual meaning could be taken, (as the Bible often allows) as the earth is the centre, then the sun and indeed all of the solar system is, being in relative close proximity, in our midst. or among us. LOL He he he he... Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Shelton To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:53 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group. Cheryl, Yes, I would say a good description of the sun's double helix is a spring, as you say. But no, this doesn't have anything to do with the moon phases. Geostatically speaking, moon phases are caused by the difference in angular velocity between the slower moon and the faster sun. Heliocentrically speaking, they are caused by the 1/2 degree per hour counter-clockwise (eastwardly) motion of the moon around the earth. No, I'm not talking of the Brahe system. I'm a Ptolemaic guy myself. I believe Dr. Jones will advise he feels the same. Brahe had the sun and moon orbiting the earth, but all the planets orbiting the sun, whereas the Ptolemaic system just simply places the earth in the center around which all revolves. It seems more of a "purist" viewpoint to me. The Brahe system gets a boost by the passage of Joshua 10:12-13 where it is said the sun was in the midst of heaven. Therefore, some placement of the sun centrally is justified per that thinking. The Clavius site is good on a few scientific matters. Primarily I was passing it on because of the Van Allen belt info it contained. Don't have an answer for the Voyager question. Apologies. Gary Shelton > Gary -- Thanks for that explanation. The double-helix orbit of the sun -- > that's the one that spirals around starting at the bottom, looks like a > bed-spring, gets to the top and comes back down? And this will produce the > phases of the moon? You wouldn't see anything funny/odd at all if you left > earth in a space probe? What a disappointment. Is this the Tycho Brahe > (sp?) model that you're speaking of? > > Dr. Jones has a different model he subscribes to? > > Well, anything is possible as we've seen from the other planets and the > orbits of their moons. Some of them go one way, some another. > > I've been reading the Clavius site you sent me to. What is it you want me > to take away from that site? > > Tell me what you think about Voyager? Is Voyager breaking some of God's > cosmic laws, the way the gene cloners and stem cell researchers are? > <snip> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/05