Neville said, "And I am beginning to think that this whole geocentric/heliocentric/acentric problem is a masterful piece of deception to keep people like us occupied and away from the important issues all around us. " But that didn't seem to work did it Neville.. Just look at the subject lines this list has taken... We'll all be first in line for the gas chambers.. Paul doesn't know what danger he is in... I find myself warming to the concave earth possibility that Steven is promoting!! Neville You must be getting old... Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Neville Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:31 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Response to Geocentric 2-pager email Bernie, This is a fine response. What truth really is, God only knows. And I am beginning to think that this whole geocentric/heliocentric/acentric problem is a masterful piece of deception to keep people like us occupied and away from the important issues all around us. Models constructed by someone who actually knows how the universe operates and has turned our perception of it inside out, if you like. I find myself warming to the concave earth possibility that Steven is promoting!! Neville www.GeocentricUniverse.com -----Original Message----- From: bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:19:12 -0800 (PST) Fred ( engineering specialist at satellite manufacturer ) wrote: Bernie, All theories, doctrines, laws, and "facts" are simply the product of man's imagination. What else can they be? It doesn't really matter if the earth is moving or stationary. You can construct a model to fit any observation. But all models have the habit of becoming ever more complicated as time goes by, which then provides an opportunity for man to abandon old models in favour of more simple ones. I have not yet been convinced of the Maxwell/Einstein model, which states that the speed of light is constant for any observer, no matter how fast he is moving. I have the feeling that Maxwell "rigged the constants" of free space to suit his own ideas about electromagnetic radiation. Then Einstein accepted Maxwell's conjectures and built on them to come to the conclusion that even space and time are variable - leaving only the speed of light constant. This is man's imagination at its best. So, what is truth? I say there is no such thing. It's all in the mind of man. regards Fred ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Free Online Photosharing - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1152 - Release Date: 26/11/2007 10:50 AM