Americans? Moon? Wait a minute - do we have any proof that they exist? :-) GWW accepts the NASA conspiracy of laser lunar ranging and points out - on P. 826,7 - that the lack of aberration in the return signal, as reported by MS, shows that stellar aberration - a key proof of HC - does not apply to the Moon. The echo signal returns on the same path, as though the Earth were still in space. This conflict is explained by the usual shouts of silence from the MS demagogues. Too bad this disproof of HC is part of a huge fraud perpetrated by NASA - it would have served well as a counter-argument to HC & MS. Robert B .By the way, if the Americans had landed on the Moon, and if they had deposited a laser reflector, and if we could hit it with 100% of a laser beam, then we could prove whether the universe was acentric or geostationary, based upon similar reasoning that you are exercising above. Neville.