Can I take you both at your word then, when you assert that a ball thrown vertically will return to your hands regardless of the velocity of whatever you are sitting/standing on providing only that the air is also moving with whatever you are sitting/standing on? Paul D Let's turn that around. Let's pretend that you are right and we live in a heliocentric world. Or let's say that we are on a Geocentric World but have built a giant model of a heliocentric world that I could sit on. If I answer your question with, "Yes" then you could say,"Aha I've got you, you threw the ball up and as soon as the ball was at it's highest point, all of a sudden a strong wind came along and blew it away." You are waiting in the wings with a trick. What is that trick question or statement? Why don't you give a train/ball example to show Geocentrists how they are wrong. Then we'll put you on the defensive. Bernie Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Bernie B But you did say that! I cut-and-pasted from your message -- including the spelling error. Check your Sent Items Box. The 40 miles per hour wind is not moving at the same velocity as the stationary tree stump so that comment is irrelevant. Paul D ----- Original Message ---- From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, 23 July, 2007 5:19:05 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moving Earth Deception No, because I didn't say that. If I was sitting on a stationary tree stump in an environment with air/wind velocity of 40 miles per hour, then the beach ball I threw up vertically would not return to my hands. Bernie Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Bernie B, Neville J From Bernie Brauer Thu Jul 19 16:36:27 2007 I actually tried that exact experiment on a bullet train and suceeded in cathing the ball. It was on a Transrapid Maglev Train in Shanghai and I was on my way back to the airport with the train going at a velocity of well over 200 miles per hour. From Neville Jones Fri Jul 20 12:15:58 2007 No need for a vacuum; just strap a Pope-mobile canopy on top of the car. The ball would follow a parabolic path, just as it does in the railway carriage, and come back down through the sunroof to be caught by our antipodean cousin. Can I take you both at your word then, when you assert that a ball thrown vertically will return to your hands regardless of the velocity of whatever you are sitting/standing on providing only that the air is also moving with whatever you are sitting/standing on? Paul D --------------------------------- Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. Find out more. --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --------------------------------- Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. Find out more. --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.