[geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.

Hi Cheryl,

Gary Shelton here.  45 years old.  From Valparaiso, Indiana.  USA.   I was
introduced to this subject in 2001 through a failed business venture.  One
of my cohorts in demise started talking about it one day and that is how I
heard about geocentrism.  That experience was very stupid on the surface,
but I guess I was meant to hear that fellow talk.   It is very interesting
how God works, isn't it?

Later, I read all of M.H. and Gerardus Bouw I could get, became a member of
the Biblical Astronomer and then found this forum a year or so ago.

My next path down the geocentric road took me to the Bad Astronomer where I
opened a thread and got generally slaughtered for 9 pages, I believe.  It
didn't really convince me that I was wrong, but it did leave me wondering
strongly, I must admit.  That the Bible teaches geocentrism, I have no
doubt.  But whether we are able to answer all the scientific objections to
our position is the hope for this forum, IMHO.   As Mr. Richard Elmendorf
(author of "Humbug", an expose on the Foucault Pendulum) once told me, "the
other side has a 400 year head start, we won't change that soon so there's
no sense in getting rushed."

Well, I'm just a dummy on this forum, and have proven so a few juicy times
by laying myself bare with wrong-headed thinking.    Nevertheless, I
definitely feel it is essential for Biblical credibility that geocentrism be
true.   If not, then God becomes worse than the "clumsy grammarian" (Bouw's
phrase) that the phenomenological language touters make him out to be, he
becomes "in error".  My favorite geocentric passage is Psalms 19:4-6  "...In
them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5) Which is as a bridegroom
coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.  6)
His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends
of it...."  I always wonder just how those words can be minced.

As to a couple of other points you raised, some here might correct me on the
following, but I believe your man Cernan on the moon would not have any
ability to observe the earth rotating since the earth and moon move relative
to one another.  One cannot tell if the train or the train station is
moving, or so the Einsteinians say.  The "proof" you discuss has been mired
in "relativism" and also, in my experience, Newton's first law.

As far as your tone with the Mormons, I might agree with you or not, but
we'd be better served, again IMHO, by sticking to their stance on
geocentricity.  There will be no solutions arrived at if a religious
argument begins on this forum.  I think all will attest to that.  But as far
as Mormon scriptures on the subject, here are two that spell out pretty
clearly the Mormon view on the subject.

"Helaman 12:15 And thus, according to his word the earth goeth back, and it
appeareth unto man that the sun standeth still; yea, and behold, this is so;
for surely it s the earth that moveth and not the sun."

"Alma 30:44    ...The scriptures are laid before thee, yea, and all things
denote there is a God; yea, even the earth, and all tings that are upon the
face of it, yea, and its motion, yea, and also all the planets which move in
their regular form do witness that there is a Supreme Creator."

Good luck in your journey here and elsewhere,

Gary Shelton

> Hi, Group.  I'm Cheryl that Dr. Neville introduced to you.
> I am a new convert.

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