[geocentrism] Re: Dual Axis Proof

And If you meant this Paul, shame again, though you had it in quotes....
In my imagination, I thought of the Earth's relationship to the Sun in the the 
same way we tend to think of the Moon's relationship to the Earth -- "If we 
always see the same face, it can't be spinning!" 

As you know the moon makes one complete rotation for every orbit of the earth. 

Philip.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: philip madsen 
  To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:10 AM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Dual Axis Proof


  Well finally I can begin to feel sane, because Paul has fallen...I do not 
mean he was on the pedestal, but he managed to keep confusing me.. But now he 
confirms his fall with this to Ja  "I concur 100%"

  Jar said,  "he is facing the same direction all year long. If the observer 
does not rotate with the axis, how can he see a star trail?"  The observer 
would not actually be rotating, Yes moving around the sun, but not rotating.. 

  And this is very incomplete, and thus lacking in accuracy, and is a 
contradiction.  The two underlined are a contradiction. 

  How can any observer maintain a fixed orientation and face the exact same 
direction in space all year long? The only co-ordinate he can chose is a star, 
and it is this star's status, stationary or moving, that is under question. 
???? The closest to this would be to face vertically N.. And because the earths 
motion is under question even this is not actually determinate.

  Only if the world were static, or the stars were static and unmoving could 
this orientation be achieved, and it is this continuous and unending problem of 
indeterminate relative motions that is being debated, so far without success. 

  None of us with all the uncountable drawings plans explanations has come even 
close to an acceptable understanding or concensus. Everything we try is 
thwarted because of the need to assume some basic premise which is contestable.

  So far I see no sound proof offered to Regner.  Not 5, not 1. Excepting 
perhaps the revolutionary hypothesis on the aether, not acceptable to MS or 
Regner. My rational expectations is that GWW and Roberts input will be 
dispensed with a very short and concise rebuttal as being inconclusive. 

  Philip. 








    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Paul Deema 
    To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 2:40 AM
    Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Dual Axis Proof


    J A

    I concur 100%.

    Now what would you see if you repeated the experiment but with the Earth's 
axis magically made orthogonal to the plane of revolution -- the ecliptic 
plane? (The axis is now pointing at the (north or south) ecliptic pole).

    Paul D




    ----- Original Message ----
    From: j a <ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx>
    To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Saturday, 3 November, 2007 4:32:16 PM
    Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Dual Axis Proof

    I want to take one more stab at our Proof. From the AC position, If we 
could magically stop the planet in it's path around the sun but still rotating 
daily, we could still observe the nightly star trails, because the observer is 
rotating with the axis. If we could magically stop the daily rotation but not 
the yearly, what would we see? The observer would not actually be rotating, Yes 
moving around the sun, but not rotating. Now reduce the baseline to zero and 
what is the observer doing? It's the same whether the baseline is zero or 1au, 
he is facing the same direction all year long. If the observer does not rotate 
with the axis, how can he see a star trail?

    Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
      To prove it take a camera and spin it at 23.44 degrees subtended to the 
perpendicular. now spin the camera 365 times on the 23.44 degree axis for every 
one time that the whole apparatus is rotated 360 degrees .........this will 
adequately demonstrate the effect and since the observers scale (observers 
distance from axis of rotation) makes no difference and we would be using 
actual stars at actual distances there can be no protest of scale......


      All is well in the house of the Geocentric 
Universe.............ahhhhhhhhh......:)

      Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
        Not to dispare..you see it does not matter ..why? ..because the nightly 
moves through 360 degress 365 times for ever 1 anual rotation so the observer 
is at some point all through out the 365 nights is going to be in rotaion about 
the anual axis in all 360 degreess ......there will be a star trail but only on 
the nightly axis everything as stated previously still applies.. and it would 
all be a big blur.....but we already have that photo available to us.....it is 
not blured at all by stars tracing out multiple paths simoltaniously...

        j a <ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
          Everybody,

          I see a potential problem we need to consider in developing the dual 
axis proof, which potentially could render it unusable. From an A-centric 
position, basically it is this: On the nightly star trail the observer is 
moving along the axis of rotation, therefore the view of the axis doesn't 
change. On the annual star trail the observer is moving along a path that is 
23.5 degrees off of the axis of rotation. This means that the observers view of 
the axis is changing by the same amount that a particular star moves around 
that axis, therefore negating the motion, making it appear to be motionless.

          Now if this is true, then to test whether the annual star trail 
exists, the observer would have to travel north or south by a certain number of 
degrees for each successive observation such that his path remains on the axis 
of rotation in question. The problem here is that if we did this we would be 
reversing the problem and should expect to see an annual trail even if 
Geo-centrism were the truth because we would be observing based on a created 
axis.

          Any axis we create will show what we should expect it to whether AC 
or GC is the actual truth.

          What does everyone think? I'm depressed.

          JA


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