Philip, I do not doubt LEO satellites. As for signals from "probes," did you ever see them or interpret them, or were they fed through to our American cousins at NASA? Straightforward question, not cynical. Please stick to the main issue for now: have you drawn the two diagrams? Do you admit that landing on the Moon would be impossible in a geostatic system if for no other reason than which way the Saturn V rocket was launched? Can we have a decision, please? Satellites, mass of the Sun, Newton's "law" of universal gravitation, ASSUMPTIONS governing the distance to the Sun, etc., etc., can be discussed later. (By the way, Mike can be reinstated immediately if he agrees to confine his contributions for the moment to this Apollo Moon landing business.) Neville. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!