[geocentrism] Re: Can we realy say for certain?
- From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:30:21 +1000
DR. Neville said,
As for signals from "probes," did you ever see them or interpret them, or were
they fed through to our American cousins at NASA? Straightforward question, not
cynical.
Response...
The data was always recorded on to a 2ft reel of 1inch tape.
It was rewound and packed and flown to the USA. We had optical tracking, but
for obvious reason this was not always available, depending on sun etc. I was
only concerned with manually tracking the receiving antenna as said before. The
transmitter had to be in deep space, and in the line of the antenna's lobe. No
where else. As I said previously, my coordinates, (predictions) of the pass
sheet was hardly ever accurate. Only the signal strength meter, and the sound
of the data stream, were my guide to control the movement of the array to keep
the satellite in focus...
Neville:
Please stick to the main issue for now: have you drawn the two diagrams? Do you
admit that landing on the Moon would be impossible in a geostatic system if for
no other reason than which way the Saturn V rocket was launched? Can we have a
decision, please?
Yes and I did respond I thought. I said that an easterly launch would appear to
make a high velocity collision with the moon. Either HC or GC.. I said I
thought that it would be wiser to launch westerly to match the moons speed and
direction. And it would be ok for a stationary world. However, Not for a
rotating earth. I was wrong.
The aim of the engineers is to ,
a Take advantage of the earths rotation to reach escape velocity for less
fuel.
b do so with timing in such a way as to take advantage of the moons
attraction to get it all the way. save more fuel.
c make the angle of approach miss the target so that the final velocity and
angle of approach causes the missile to fall into an orbit of the moon. Too
soon and we have the collision you said. Too late and lost in space.
So no, I disagree. I believe the moon landing would occur just as shown.
I repeat what I said elsewhere. The effect of advantage in an easterly launch
is evident.
If this is from a stationary earth then Roberts or some other explanation has
to be found.
Thus I now persist in saying that my launch proceedure above would have to be
the same, GC or HC. Only for the gc system I would rewrite a "as taking
advantage of the universal rotation."
I will correct an earlier bad science, purely from an efficiency viewpoint. I
spoke of a direct hit approach, and a reverse thrust landing. The energy
requirements would be enormously wasteful. So you see I learned from Roberts
orbital insertion which makes enormous sense... Like catching a ball in a
slingshot and turning it into circular motion. Hence the sling shot manouvre
of using a Jupiter passing to take advantage of Jupiters gravity to speed
Pioneer on its way into deeper space...
Nevill I do not think it matters eitherway GC or HC for these things to happen.
So the discussion is off subject don't you think. Likewise whether NASA is a
liar or not. This does not make all scientists even in NASA liars.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:16 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Can we realy say for certain?
Philip,
I do not doubt LEO satellites.
As for signals from "probes," did you ever see them or interpret them, or
were they fed through to our American cousins at NASA? Straightforward
question, not cynical.
Please stick to the main issue for now: have you drawn the two diagrams? Do
you admit that landing on the Moon would be impossible in a geostatic system if
for no other reason than which way the Saturn V rocket was launched? Can we
have a decision, please?
Satellites, mass of the Sun, Newton's "law" of universal gravitation,
ASSUMPTIONS governing the distance to the Sun, etc., etc., can be discussed
later.
(By the way, Mike can be reinstated immediately if he agrees to confine his
contributions for the moment to this Apollo Moon landing business.)
Neville.
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