Like Dan said, there are a lot of assumptions being made here. No where in the log does it say that the guy made any threatening remarks or gestures. It simply says that the guy doesn't like people on "his" land. You are assuming he didn't have permission, you are assuming that he's telling the truth about the cache being on his property & you are assuming that the guy is going to harm somone who may hunt the cache. Jeez, why don't we ASSUME that all caches are dangerous in some mannor & request that geocaching be made illegal so that no one ever gets hurt or harassed!? You know what happens when we assume right??? Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Konecker To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Archive this geocache? I typically take a liberal approach to cache placement, but I disagree with your stance on cache owner 'rights'. Whether or not the guy owned the property the cache is on or whether on not the cache placer got permission to place the cache, if innocent geocachers are being led into a situation that threatens their safety or well-being, the cache should be archived. If the cache owner wants to go one-on-one with the guy who is harassing innocent geocachers, that's his perogative. Don't make innocent people fight his personal battles or defend the 'right' for the cache to be there. You can still have variety of cache placement, while allowing the hobby to self-police itself through peer-pressure. This is the way it has been from the beginning. I would not consider it wise to support a cache owner's 'right' to place a cache above personal safety of those hunting it. >From: Dan Henke <thunder_monk@xxxxxxxxx> > Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:27:58 -0700 (PDT) > I am a firm believer in the "rights" of the owner to set up > his/her cache in whatever manner that is desired otherwise > all caches would be the same and the fun of something new > and different would be gone.