[GeoStL] Re: Archive this geocache?

  • From: "Eric East" <christianherper@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:21:55 -0500

Well said Mike!

Notify future hunters of the boundaries so they don't wind up on his property 
(assuming any geocachers had been on his property in the first place) & if he 
still wants to complain about people caching "near" his property, tough!

Eric
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike Lusicic 
  To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:24 PM
  Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Archive this geocache?


  - I tend to agree with pretty much all of this. Also, there should probably 
be a description of where the boundary is for trespassing since there is a sign 
but no other way of knowing. I have see this on other cache descriptions, and I 
don't think that should be optional. If you could reasonably wind up on private 
property, I think there should be something like that to keep people off where 
they don't really want to be in the first place.

  There should be fair warning about the neighbor for those who feel they do 
not want to get involved with him. To me it is just another "obstacle" in 
getting there. If the cemetery doesn't belong to him, then he has no right to 
keep people out regardless of what someone else did on his property. If he has 
a problem with people on his property, then that is where he should be when he 
does his "discourage the trespassers" routine. Lets say his property is next to 
Wal Mart and he has the same problem. Does that give him the right to terrorize 
people who park in Wal Mart and carry on otherwise legal activity there? I am 
not an advocate of going in there with a chip on my shoulder, but I am a firm 
believer that we have to exercise our freedom, or we will certainly lose it.

  The Deen Family wrote:

    I found this cache last summer.  The area in which it is located is indeed 
rural, but really not far off the beaten track as the cemetery fronts the local 
highway.  The cemetery / private property line is not clearly indicated by any 
fence or signage that I recall, and without knowing definitively where the 
property line lies, I would say that this cache might be located on or near the 
property line.   


    My recommendation is that the cache owner needs to temporarily disable the 
cache and make a note both in the log section and in the description section 
itself as to why.  He then needs to get permission for the cache, which of 
course he should have done already, and then enable the cache with permission 
noted and by whose authority.  The info portion of the cache page should 
continue to contain a warning about the neighboring land owner who is less than 
enamored of 'geo-catchers'.  The owner could take it one step further by 
contacting the disgruntled land owner and explaining both that permission has 
been obtained and offer a detailed explanation of what geocaching is and how 
our presence can help reduce the negative element that seems to frequent the 
cemetery.  Needless to say, if permission of the cemetery owner is not 
obtained, the cache should immediately be archived. 




    On Aug 21, 2005, at 00:05, Jack Konecker wrote:


      I wouldn't want to be led into the situation that
      geo-jim encountered.  If it is private property and
      the cache placer (http://tinyurl.com/aj3hp)
      didn't get permission to hide a cache there,
      then I think he should archive it.

      It is true that some cemetaries are on private
      property.  Unfortunately, they don't all have
      signs next to them stating such. Caches in cemetaries
      owned and maintained by churches would most
      likely not have this type of problem (note I
      didn't say 'never').

      It is up to the cache placer to do the research
      and get permission. 

      I hate to butcher an old saying, but 'ignorance of 
      geocaching policy is no excuse'. 



      > From: "Susan Ring" <susanmring@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
      > To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
      > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:35:24 -0500

      > I guess my point is that it is a cache owner's
      > responsibility to avoid exposing cachers
      > to any unnecessary or excessive danger.






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