Re: [foxboro] "Like for Like" kind FBM100 series REV-0L
- From: Tom Vandewater <tjvandew@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 06:55:36 -1000
We started with 53 FT pairs of the predecessor of P0960AW Gaylon back in 1988.
Their part # was P0400VR. After much negotiation, Foxboro had to upgrade us to
P0960AW's on almost half of those because our bid specification stated that
each controller had to be capable of communicating simultaneously with all the
other controllers. The peer-to-peer communication limits of P0400VR were not up
the task. For that matter the p2p of the P0960AW's didn't meet our spec either
but Foxboro and Dow Corning finally came to an acceptable middle ground and
Foxboro replaced 20 FT pairs of P0400VR's with 10 FT pairs of P0960AW's to make
it possible to configure the control of two of our larger processes.
Likewise, Foxboro upgraded all of our WP20 Workstation Processors,
P0400VU, to WP30's , P0960GC's. Those part #'s are forever etched in my mind
because I knew whatever we bought, I would be the one praised or cursed for
installing them. There was a lot of cursing in the early days. Those were
interesting times. If Siebe hadn't bought Foxboro at that time and invested
more money there might no longer have been such a thing as Fox IA;<). Foxboro
was on the bubble.
Tom VandeWater
Control Conversions, Inc.
> On Mar 20, 2015, at 5:12 AM, "Gaylon F. Hicks" <gfhicks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I can't speak for all of nuclear power, but one very large nuclear utility
> treats all the I/A part number revision levels as equivalent. The rationale
> is that you are relying on your vendors QA program/procedures/processes to
> ensure that either A) all P/N revision levels are compatible, or B) they
> have a notification process to inform you when they aren't.
>
> I'm sure you've performed some type of documented audit to accept the
> Foxboro/Siebe/Invensys/Schneider (henceforth referred to as "the vendor" to
> avoid wear and tear on my keyboard) programs and processes, even if that was
> as little as documenting that they have an ISO 9000 program. The harsh
> reality of life is that you are relying on the vendor to provide you the
> correct part anyway. Just because it says "P0960AW Rev T" on the sticker is
> no guarantee there isn't just a dead mouse in the case, unless you credit
> the vendor programs and process.
>
> 50 bonus points to the first person that can off the top of their head
> identify that part number. No Cheating!
>
> Gaylon
> ===================================================
> Gaylon F. Hicks
> Engineered Solutions Inc.
> gfhicks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Joseph M. Riccardi
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 1:36 PM
> To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [foxboro] "Like for Like" kind FBM100 series REV-0L
>
> It's never a good sign when you get no responses. The subject must be
> taboo. :-(
>
> Going once, going twice,...
>
>
> Joseph M. Riccardi
> 386-451-7607 Cell
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> Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> measured with money; and that is sincerity and integrity." - Donald A. Adams
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Joseph M. Riccardi
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:40 AM
> To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [foxboro] "Like for Like" kind FBM100 series REV-0L
>
> Folks,
> We recently had an FBM01 REV-0L fail and replaced it with a REV-0P version.
> In the Nuclear, Pharma, and I am sure other industries that require
> validation, the documentation required to support replacement parts of a
> "Like for Like" kind is simpler. I cannot find any reference in the GCS web
> site that would point me to documentation for the various hardware revision
> levels that would support this "Like for Like" kind. Does one exist? What
> do other Nuclear, Pharma, and other industries that require validation do in
> this case?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joseph M. Riccardi
> 386-451-7607 Cell
>
> Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> "To give real service you must add something that cannot be bought or
> measured with money; and that is sincerity and integrity." - Donald A. Adams
>
>
>
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>
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