Re: [foxboro] GDEV configuration
- From: "Lowell, Timothy" <Timothy.Lowell@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:18:01 -0500
Doug et al,
Let me see if I understand what you all are saying.
The actual driving block is a BOUT on the FDSI. You are saying that DSR_RB
should be connected to its output (.BOUT, I think).
DEVLM2 should be the feedback from .B1 of the device PAKIN block.
AVLIM2 = 1 tells the GDEV to use DEVLM2.
Does that sound right?
I'm still not clear what to do about the hand switch. These GDEVs are locked in
Manual. Nothing should be starting or stopping the device but a board operator
using the GDEV on a graphic or an outside operator using the outside hand
switch. Using AUTDSR therefore is not an option, if I am reading the block book
correctly. Rick said something about the NOT Auto switch. I'm not sure what
that means.
Thanks,
Tim Lowell
Tesoro Corporation | 54741 Tesoro Rd, Kenai, AK 99611 | 907-776-3526 (work) |
210-439-5914 (cell)
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From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Douglas G. Lloyd
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 9:05 AM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] GDEV configuration
Tim,
The DSR_RB parameter should be connected to whatever final signal you have
available that is actually driving the device. Limit switch checking is
based on the DSR_RB status if it is connected. Otherwise, it's based on the
DSRIND (i.e. the block drive request from AUTDSR, MANDSR, INTDSR, HLDDSR,
etc). The detail display colors need some interpretation if DSR_RB is
different than DSRIND, but it's not too tough once your operators understand
the patterns...
If you have no status connection available from whatever is actually driving
the device, you'll lose limit switch versus output verifications. But, you
can still configure the block to display the actual status (i.e. connect
DSR_RB to the actual device state)...
Regards,
Doug
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From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Lowell, Timothy
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [foxboro] GDEV configuration
Joseph,
There is a hand switch between the GDEV and the MCC. I'm sorry if I didn't
make that clear. What do you typically do in this situation? It looks like I
have some other ideas from Rick and Corey.
Thanks all,
Tim Lowell
Tesoro Corporation | 54741 Tesoro Rd, Kenai, AK 99611 | 907-776-3526 (work)
| 210-439-5914 (cell)
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From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Joseph M. Riccardi
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:38 AM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] GDEV configuration
Tim,
"All of the #2s should not be connected or set to the opposite condition."
Could you elaborate on this statement? What do you mean by #2's?
Oops, I meant 1s; DEVLM1, IGNLM1, AVLLM1. The GDEV is also used for Valves
where you may have 2 limit switches (DEVLM1 & 2) as open/closed feedback.
As long as there is no other device between the GDEV and the MCC that could
bypass the GDEV command, nothing else should be required to get what you
want.
Joseph M. Riccardi
386-441-0250 Office
386-451-7607 Cell
Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
"To give real service you must add something that cannot be bought or
measured with money; and that is sincerity and integrity." - Donald A. Adams
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Behalf Of Lowell, Timothy
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:21 PM
To: 'foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: Re: [foxboro] GDEV configuration
Joseph,
Thanks for the reply.
"All of the #2s should not be connected or set to the opposite condition."
Could you elaborate on this statement? What do you mean by #2's?
The device between the GDEV and the MCC is an Eaton C441 Monitoring Relay.
Basically, you connect it to a switch that is also connected to the FDSI
FBM, and it can monitor the device statuses and turn things on and off. It's
pretty simple with no logic solver in it.
Thanks,
Tim Lowell
Tesoro Corporation | 54741 Tesoro Rd, Kenai, AK 99611 | 907-776-3526 (work)
| 210-439-5914 (cell)
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Behalf Of Joseph M. Riccardi
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:12 AM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] GDEV configuration
Tim,
You have lots of options but the basic connection for the motor Run feedback
is DEVLM2. DEVLM2 Device Limit Switch 2 is a boolean input for reading the
Opened/Running limit switch. When DEVLM2 is true, the device is
Opened/Running.
Make sure it is not ignored; IGNLM2 = 0. And it is configured as available;
AVLLM2 = 1.
All of the #2s should not be connected or set to the opposite condition.
The big question is, do you have anything between the GDEV and the MCC;
i.e., a PLC, HOA, etc.
Joseph M. Riccardi
386-441-0250 Office
386-451-7607 Cell
Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
"To give real service you must add something that cannot be bought or
measured with money; and that is sincerity and integrity." - Donald A. Adams
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From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Lowell, Timothy
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:33 AM
To: 'foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [foxboro] GDEV configuration
List,
This one should be easy for the list. We are upgrading our Motor Control
Centers, and we have some fancy new MCC buckets that can talk over Ethernet
to an FDSI block. Someone decided it would be a good idea to allow the board
operator to turn the pumps and exchanger fin fan motors on and off from the
DCS, as well as being able to operate them locally as they always had done
in the past. Previously, if we needed a pump or fin fan motor started, the
only option was to send an operator out to do it. In most cases, we didn't
even have feedback status for the pump or fin fan motor, but now we do.
Since this project was run by an Electrical Engineer who can barely spell
I/A, he didn't put much consideration into the graphics or DCS configuration
until very late in the game, and he ended up farming the job out to Invensys
at the last minute. The Invensys engineer he hired was already on site
helping us with a cutover, and he had to throw something together in his
"spare" time. He did a very thorough and complete job with the information
he was given and with the time constraints he had, but unfortunately, he had
to leave and go to another job, and now what we have isn't quite right.
The Invensys Engineer used GDEV blocks on the graphic to start and stop the
field devices. What we are seeing is that the feedback from the status bits
is not configured correctly. The GDEV currently does not know what the
status of the device is. If you call up the Detail Display of one of the
GDEV blocks, it is in whatever position it was left at by the graphic, even
if someone has started or stopped the device locally with a field switch.
My question is, how do you properly configure a GDEV for ON/OFF status
feedback? There are all these options, and the block book is not
particularly helpful in deciphering which to use or not use. We basically
want the GDEV block to know what the status of its device is, so that when
we click on the device, it knows whether to prompt us to start it if it is
off, or to stop it if it is on. Right now, the GDEV is assuming that
whatever the last command we sent to it is the status of the device, which
isn't necessarily true. The device status comes back to the DCS via the
first bit of an FDSI PAKIN block, but I haven't had any luck figuring out
which parameter on the GDEV to connect it to. There is only a RUNNING bit,
and no OFF bit; that is, you can only tell the device is OFF if the RUNNING
bit is zero.
If I could get Invensys to work on this, I would, but it's not easy
traveling to Alaska, and I think this should be an easy fix.
Thanks,
Tim Lowell
Tesoro Corporation | 54741 Tesoro Rd, Kenai, AK 99611 | 907-776-3526 (work)
| 210-439-5914 (cell)
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