[elky] Re: The new El Camino, (Shrimp on the Barbie style) (was: Taco Bell Style)

  • From: Robert Adams <elcam84@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: elky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:29:38 -0600


Not exactly. They don't have the total separation of divisions basically like running their own sub company but producing the same car.

Also with GM you had Chevy,Buick,Olds,Pontiac and caddy many times all with the same base car and each had their own twist on that car. Then with trucks you also add in GMC. The bureaucracy in GM was awful and still bad today. Oh then you had the Vette group which was another independent part of that company. Just too many groups redesigning the wheel right next to each other in the same zip code wasting valuable resources.


                       Robert Adams

Don't they all?
Honda- Acura
Toyrota- Lexus
Ford-Lincoln Merc
Nissan- Infiniti - An infiniti M is just a Maxima, the 350Z's high
maintenance girlfriend is the G35?
Ford-Mazda
I know there are some others, right?

Notice I left Dodge/Jeep/Chrysler off that list, I am not sure they still
fit in the category of "successful" after the past few months... and decades
of really cool cars.
The viper is awesome, but why doesn't anyone drive them? (probably because
they are a PIA and too much of a thrill ride for anyone that can afford one



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Subject: [elky] Re: The new El Camino, (Shrimp on the Barbie style) (was:
Taco Bell Style)


>I guess I was more confused about the "solstice" comment, that is a pretty
>sweet little ride when you consider what its up against, I know a guy that
>bought one and drove it home stripped it down and races it- pretty sweet
>car-  What else can you buy - a miata?  I like the Pontiac better than the
>sky anyday, but that's my opinion
>I thought the Pontiacs were, well many of them were pretty fun to drive,
>overpowered FWD cars,

            The front end of the Solstice is too much of a 55 gallon barrel
sitting sidewards and the 1/4s and rear deck of the sky are better looking
too. They are both roundy but the sky has a little more definition.


>Not sure that anyone ever liked anything about an oldsmobile made in the
>last 10-20 years, well except a couple obvious ones, and they even had
their
>issues.

               Well Olds had a big following and so did a few Buick cars...
They appealed to the older generation. They were typically cushier cars.
The Le Sabre and Park ave were prime examples of a GM screw up. The Le
Sabre was the best selling in it's class for a long time and doing well so
GM in their infinite wisdom decided to can it and start over. And they lost
sales with the new replacement. Same thing happened to Ford. The Taurus was
a very well selling car. They decided to try to appeal to the younger
generation and in doing so screwed up the car and lost their existing
customer base and never gained the one they went after and then the car
dissapeared and now they bring the name back onto a poorly named car to
start the 500. (poor naming job there)

>The 2001 Aurora I had was a beast, what a sweet ride for just over
>$10,000-(used 3 years old with 50k but you would have been surprised that
>this car was ever driven) leather, like new, power seats- any option GM had
>and it was on that car, not to mention an award winning engine- that 4.0
>would get well over 30mpg on the highway and was plenty of power when you
>wanted it (for a normal guy who hadn't yet experienced a real hot rod
>driver)

           That was an interesting drivetrain in those cars and fun. I
thought they were ugly and reminded me of the riviera. As you can tell I
have a thing against cars that are too roundy. I prefer more straight lines
which is why I prefer the GN over the Monte SS. I prefer those straight
lines as the curveys remind me of new cars.

>The problem was oil smoke, yes oil burn/smoke would blow thru the vents
>inside the car when idling at an intersection.  Not good for the clients
>riding shot gun.  Come to find out 2 other guys I have known who had them
>told me they had the same thing happen to them.   WTH causes that? And how
>does it happen, it didn't leak, oil levels stayed normal, and didn't smoke
>thru exhaust...
>
>Olds seemed to be the cars that GM put everything into that didn't quite
>work in the other cars, just to get rid of it?  The parts weren't even good
>enough for a buick :)


                  Olds was below Buick and above Chevy in their class.
Honestly I never understood why they had so many divisions that just took
the basic car designed an interior and exterior and try to pass it off as a
different car. How many successful car companies do that today? Hmm.



                          Robert Adams



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