[ddots-l] Re: OT: Fwd: Re: [BCT] Microsoft demos super fast boot times in Windows 8
- From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:58:46 -0700
DJX,
"
One of the good things I can see about narrator becoming a beast is integration
with the OS. As of now, some screens in windows provide more information when
read with narrator than they do when read with jaws, and this includes jaws
cursoring through the entire screen to find that same info. Windows update is a
good example. Guess If microsoft can bind it to the OS and get access to under
the hood stuff, we could do some damage with it, specially if they open up a
scripting line through something like VBScript which is already well tighed to
windows as well. If programs follow this pattern or microsoft starts pushing
the buttons for them to do so, we might get better accessibility. They
certainly have the power (industrywise) to do it, let's just hope they do, and
that it doesn't become another blunder..."
Definitely. And let's finally get some access then to the BIOS. Always been a
stumbling block.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
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From: D!J!X!
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:02
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: OT: Fwd: Re: [BCT] Microsoft demos super fast boot
times in Windows 8
Without getting too out of hand on the off topic, windows startup time could
be achievable on a good number of current hardware systems using the new boot
system, though I doubt they could do cold boot. Why? Because if you've read the
windows blog or the article on PCWorld or similar magazine, they're not using a
real "cold boot." They're using a hybrid process where the kernel (the heart of
the OS) is written to a small hibernation file-like place on the hard drive.
This is then loaded to memory and other esential processes/services started.
This is how the 8 seconds is achieved. One of the biggest differences with
windows8, is that they'll be doing something they should have done a while back
in vista, that is, using all available CPU cores to start asynchronus
processes/services (that is, services that can startup independently from each
other). By doing this, windows can start 2 or more services at a time, and
since the kernel is already loaded to ram, they've effectively reducing boot
times.
You can't however compare cold boot to this, or say 8 seconds cold boot,
because it just isn't; this is hybrid. Though they are reducing alot of legacy
services and making things smoother from the get go, it will reduce the boot
time, I'm just not sure by how much... Also, remember they're using an ssd
drive on the laptop, that in itself makes a hek of a difference; windows7
starts up and runs a bit faster on an ssd, as compared to a standard drive. And
it's not clear if the machine was using a hybrid bios/efi system. Microsoft has
even admitted that systems that support and include a hybrid bios/efi system
boot faster. They're just trying to get a faster bootup so that when windows8
is installed on tablets, users won't have to wait for their tablets to boot
after 1 minute powerups, while iOS and Android users have already loaded their
emails and are reading the latest headlines lol.
One of the good things I can see about narrator becoming a beast is
integration with the OS. As of now, some screens in windows provide more
information when read with narrator than they do when read with jaws, and this
includes jaws cursoring through the entire screen to find that same info.
Windows update is a good example. Guess If microsoft can bind it to the OS and
get access to under the hood stuff, we could do some damage with it, specially
if they open up a scripting line through something like VBScript which is
already well tighed to windows as well. If programs follow this pattern or
microsoft starts pushing the buttons for them to do so, we might get better
accessibility. They certainly have the power (industrywise) to do it, let's
just hope they do, and that it doesn't become another blunder...
Just my 2 cents (cuz economy is rough), D!J!X!
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Behalf Of Dominique
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:17 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] OT: Fwd: Re: [BCT] Microsoft demos super fast boot times
in Windows 8
Thoughts?
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [BCT] Microsoft demos super
fast boot times in Windows 8
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:06:45 -0400
From: Bubba <bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Blind Cool Tech Mailing List <bct@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: 'Blind Cool Tech Mailing List' <bct@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Well, I think FS if any way possible and WE will somehow make their stuff
work. I don't see them throwing their hands in the air and saying we cannot
do this and just go under. I think MS will put out some kind of UPI for
people to use not just screen readers but for makers of application and
such. I do think they will start in this version making their screen reader
to be one of the choice for blind users. It might take a couple of years and
version but I think they are going to try to follow apple example with their
screen reader and accessibility. It will start with the PC and I think move
to the windows Mobile platform. But this is JMT
Sign,
Bubba
bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
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[mailto:bct-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [BCT] Microsoft demos super fast boot times in Windows 8
I'm sure the companies will work it out somehow. They may just have to
rely on UIA support or consider implementing display hooks like System
Access and recently NVDA does.
Chris Hallsworth
Sent from Thunderbird
On 12/09/2011 16:25, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> Here's an observation that will doubtless raise some questions. Windows
> 8 will not use mirror drivers. Big deal? I think maybe yes. Why? Simple.
> Screen readers such as JAWS and Window-Eyes rely on mirror drivers to
> work. I cannot help but wonder how windows screen readers will adapt. It
> would indeed be interesting if the big two cannot adapt but NVDA can and
> will.
>
> Now, you might be surprised that I, a Mac user, would raise such a
> point. Well, let us just say that I chose not to resist.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
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>
>
> On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:14 AM, chris hallsworth wrote:
>
>> Microsoft has a surprise for users tired of waiting forever while
>> their computers boot up. It will take less than 10 seconds for a
>> Windows 8 PC to go from powered down to the start screen, according to
>> a Microsoft video demonstration. The speedy boot is thanks to a new
>> hybrid system that mixes processes used in cold boots and hibernation
>> mode. Microsoft showed off the new functionality in yet another blog
>> post on its Building Windows 8 blog.
>>
>> The less than 10 second boot time Microsoft displayed was on a laptop
>> with a Core i7-2620M Sandy Bridge processor, 8GB RAM and a 160GB
>> solid-state drive. Results using other hardware may vary. Microsoft
>> tested 30 PCs comparing Windows 8 fast startup times to Windows 7 cold
>> boots. The most dramatic drop in time was for a PC (specs were
>> undisclosed) that went from a more than 70 second cold boot time in
>> Windows 7 to about 20 seconds on a Windows 8 fast startup.
>>
>> Thanks to the influence of tablets and smartphones, users are more
>> accustomed than ever to having instant-on access to their devices.
>> This can make it feel as though you've stepped back into the Dark Ages
>> while you wait a minute or two for your PC to boot. Nevertheless, more
>> than half of all PC users (57 percent of desktop users and 45 percent
>> of laptop users) opt to turn their devices off instead of letting them
>> go into sleep or hibernation mode, from which the computer can resume
>> much faster, according to Microsoft data.
>>
>> Reasons for preferring shutdown vary, Microsoft says, from wanting to
>> save on power to preferring to start a session fresh with no leftover
>> processes from earlier (I suspect that another group of people avoid
>> sleep and hibernate because it never works quite properly on their PCs).
>>
>> But even though a slight majority prefer to shut down, many Windows PC
>> users do use sleep and hibernate modes instead of cold boots. In
>> Windows 8, Microsoft wanted to create a shutdown process that would
>> appeal to both types of users, by achieving three basic goals: nearly
>> zero power draw when the computer is shut off, a fresh session after
>> boot, and a quick startup time.
>>
>> To reach these targets, Windows 8's default shutdown mode performs
>> what it refers to as a "session 0" hibernation. Basically, the
>> computer shuts down normally, except that it saves the Windows kernel
>> session to a hibernation file prior to shutting down. In Windows 7,
>> the kernel session gets shut down completely--the kernel is the OS's
>> core component that acts as a link between applications and data
>> processing at the hardware level. Storing the kernel session results
>> in a small hibernation file that the system can read back into memory
>> in much less time than it takes to start everything up from a
>> traditional cold boot, according to Microsoft.
>>
>> The new faster startup time also takes advantage of multicore systems
>> by using all of the cores in parallel to speed the work of reading the
>> hibernation file. Microsoft says that this multicore process will help
>> your system resume from regular hibernate mode more quickly as well.
>> The Windows maker found that PCs with a Unified Extensible Firmware
>> Interface (UEFI) instead of a traditional BIOS tend to achieve faster
>> boot times under the new system, too.
>>
>> If you who need a traditional cold shutdown to install new hardware on
>> your PC or if you want one because you like it the old way, Microsoft
>> allows you to revert to the old shutdown method either permanently
>> (through a setting in the user interface--probably in the Control
>> Panel, though Microsoft didn't explain this fully) or as a one-time
>> occurrence from the command prompt.
>>
>> Windows isn't the only PC operating system to support speedy boots.
>> Google's browser-only Chromebooks have fast boot times, and Apple's
>> MacBook Air line also claims instant-on functionality.
>>
>> If you can't get enough Windows 8 news, check out PCWorld on Tuesday,
>> September 13 when Microsoft is expected to provide even more details
>> about its forthcoming OS during the company's BUILD conference.
>>
>> Windows 8 Fast Boot:
>> --
>>
>> Chris Hallsworth
>> Sent from Thunderbird
>>
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