[ddots-l] Re: OT: Fwd: Re: [BCT] Microsoft demos super fast boot times in Windows 8
- From: D!J!X! <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:04:40 -0400
This is true... But as the push for windows8 is for tablets, they're going
to try and improve it for that. Ut the problem is, most of those tablets
still use ddr2 ram, not even ddr3. This shouldn't matter, but it sort of
does. Most ddr2 ram systems run at 667 or 800mhz, verry few systems use
1066mhz ddr2 ram.
I still wonder what the times would be like on that same system if they did
a real cold boot (which microsoft says it will live as an option), instead
of using the hybrid boot.
D!J!X!
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times in Windows 8
Good observation on the SSD part, a HDD will already slow your boot down, a
larger HDD will slow it down more and the fuller your drive gets the slower
your boot time. the laptop in question has a I7 processor with 8 GB ddr3
memmory, most average pc users which by the way makes up for 88% of windows
users, don't even come close to those specs they are more than happy with a
much slower processor and less memmory so basically serious gamers and the
few power users without macs will come close to the 10 seconds for the rest,
sure it will be faster but doubt if it will come close to 10 seconds for
most.
On 9/13/11, D!J!X! <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Without getting too out of hand on the off topic, windows startup time
> could be achievable on a good number of current hardware systems using
> the new boot system, though I doubt they could do cold boot. Why?
> Because if you've read the windows blog or the article on PCWorld or
> similar magazine, they're not using a real "cold boot." They're using
> a hybrid process where the kernel (the heart of the OS) is written to
> a small hibernation file-like place on the hard drive. This is then
> loaded to memory and other esential processes/services started. This
> is how the 8 seconds is achieved. One of the biggest differences with
> windows8, is that they'll be doing something they should have done a
> while back in vista, that is, using all available CPU cores to start
> asynchronus processes/services (that is, services that can startup
> independently from each other). By doing this, windows can start
> 2 or more services at a time, and since the kernel is already loaded
> to ram, they've effectively reducing boot times.
> You can't however compare cold boot to this, or say 8 seconds cold
> boot, because it just isn't; this is hybrid. Though they are reducing
> alot of legacy services and making things smoother from the get go, it
> will reduce the boot time, I'm just not sure by how much... Also,
> remember they're using an ssd drive on the laptop, that in itself
> makes a hek of a difference;
> windows7 starts up and runs a bit faster on an ssd, as compared to a
> standard drive. And it's not clear if the machine was using a hybrid
> bios/efi system. Microsoft has even admitted that systems that support
> and include a hybrid bios/efi system boot faster. They're just trying
> to get a faster bootup so that when windows8 is installed on tablets,
> users won't have to wait for their tablets to boot after 1 minute
> powerups, while iOS and Android users have already loaded their emails
> and are reading the latest headlines lol.
>
> One of the good things I can see about narrator becoming a beast is
> integration with the OS. As of now, some screens in windows provide
> more information when read with narrator than they do when read with
> jaws, and this includes jaws cursoring through the entire screen to
> find that same info. Windows update is a good example. Guess If
> microsoft can bind it to the OS and get access to under the hood
> stuff, we could do some damage with it, specially if they open up a
> scripting line through something like VBScript which is already well
> tighed to windows as well. If programs follow this pattern or
> microsoft starts pushing the buttons for them to do so, we might get
> better accessibility. They certainly have the power (industrywise) to
> do it, let's just hope they do, and that it doesn't become another
blunder...
>
> Just my 2 cents (cuz economy is rough), D!J!X!
>
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> times in Windows 8
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>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [BCT] Microsoft demos super fast boot times in Windows 8
>
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:06:45 -0400
> From: Bubba <mailto:bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx>
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> Well, I think FS if any way possible and WE will somehow make their
> stuff
>
> work. I don't see them throwing their hands in the air and saying we
> cannot
>
> do this and just go under. I think MS will put out some kind of UPI
> for
>
> people to use not just screen readers but for makers of application
> and
>
> such. I do think they will start in this version making their screen
> reader
>
> to be one of the choice for blind users. It might take a couple of
> years and
>
> version but I think they are going to try to follow apple example with
> their
>
> screen reader and accessibility. It will start with the PC and I think
> move
>
> to the windows Mobile platform. But this is JMT
>
>
>
>
>
> Sign,
>
> Bubba
>
> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
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>
>
>
>
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> [mailto:bct-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of chris
> hallsworth
>
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:07 PM
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> Subject: Re: [BCT] Microsoft demos super fast boot times in Windows 8
>
>
>
> I'm sure the companies will work it out somehow. They may just have to
>
> rely on UIA support or consider implementing display hooks like System
>
> Access and recently NVDA does.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chris Hallsworth
>
> Sent from Thunderbird
>
>
>
> On 12/09/2011 16:25, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>
>> Here's an observation that will doubtless raise some questions.
>> Windows
>
>> 8 will not use mirror drivers. Big deal? I think maybe yes. Why? Simple.
>
>> Screen readers such as JAWS and Window-Eyes rely on mirror drivers to
>
>> work. I cannot help but wonder how windows screen readers will adapt.
>> It
>
>> would indeed be interesting if the big two cannot adapt but NVDA can
>> and
>
>> will.
>
>>
>
>> Now, you might be surprised that I, a Mac user, would raise such a
>
>> point. Well, let us just say that I chose not to resist.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Sincerely,
>
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
>>
>
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
>>
>
>> Skype name:
>
>> barefootedray
>
>>
>
>> Facebook:
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>>
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>>
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>>
>
>> On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:14 AM, chris hallsworth wrote:
>
>>
>
>>> Microsoft has a surprise for users tired of waiting forever while
>
>>> their computers boot up. It will take less than 10 seconds for a
>
>>> Windows 8 PC to go from powered down to the start screen, according
>>> to
>
>>> a Microsoft video demonstration. The speedy boot is thanks to a new
>
>>> hybrid system that mixes processes used in cold boots and
>>> hibernation
>
>>> mode. Microsoft showed off the new functionality in yet another blog
>
>>> post on its Building Windows 8 blog.
>
>>>
>
>>> The less than 10 second boot time Microsoft displayed was on a
>>> laptop
>
>>> with a Core i7-2620M Sandy Bridge processor, 8GB RAM and a 160GB
>
>>> solid-state drive. Results using other hardware may vary. Microsoft
>
>>> tested 30 PCs comparing Windows 8 fast startup times to Windows 7
>>> cold
>
>>> boots. The most dramatic drop in time was for a PC (specs were
>
>>> undisclosed) that went from a more than 70 second cold boot time in
>
>>> Windows 7 to about 20 seconds on a Windows 8 fast startup.
>
>>>
>
>>> Thanks to the influence of tablets and smartphones, users are more
>
>>> accustomed than ever to having instant-on access to their devices.
>
>>> This can make it feel as though you've stepped back into the Dark
>>> Ages
>
>>> while you wait a minute or two for your PC to boot. Nevertheless,
>>> more
>
>>> than half of all PC users (57 percent of desktop users and 45
>>> percent
>
>>> of laptop users) opt to turn their devices off instead of letting
>>> them
>
>>> go into sleep or hibernation mode, from which the computer can
>>> resume
>
>>> much faster, according to Microsoft data.
>
>>>
>
>>> Reasons for preferring shutdown vary, Microsoft says, from wanting
>>> to
>
>>> save on power to preferring to start a session fresh with no
>>> leftover
>
>>> processes from earlier (I suspect that another group of people avoid
>
>>> sleep and hibernate because it never works quite properly on their PCs).
>
>>>
>
>>> But even though a slight majority prefer to shut down, many Windows
>>> PC
>
>>> users do use sleep and hibernate modes instead of cold boots. In
>
>>> Windows 8, Microsoft wanted to create a shutdown process that would
>
>>> appeal to both types of users, by achieving three basic goals:
>>> nearly
>
>>> zero power draw when the computer is shut off, a fresh session after
>
>>> boot, and a quick startup time.
>
>>>
>
>>> To reach these targets, Windows 8's default shutdown mode performs
>
>>> what it refers to as a "session 0" hibernation. Basically, the
>
>>> computer shuts down normally, except that it saves the Windows
>>> kernel
>
>>> session to a hibernation file prior to shutting down. In Windows 7,
>
>>> the kernel session gets shut down completely--the kernel is the OS's
>
>>> core component that acts as a link between applications and data
>
>>> processing at the hardware level. Storing the kernel session results
>
>>> in a small hibernation file that the system can read back into
>>> memory
>
>>> in much less time than it takes to start everything up from a
>
>>> traditional cold boot, according to Microsoft.
>
>>>
>
>>> The new faster startup time also takes advantage of multicore
>>> systems
>
>>> by using all of the cores in parallel to speed the work of reading
>>> the
>
>>> hibernation file. Microsoft says that this multicore process will
>>> help
>
>>> your system resume from regular hibernate mode more quickly as well.
>
>>> The Windows maker found that PCs with a Unified Extensible Firmware
>
>>> Interface (UEFI) instead of a traditional BIOS tend to achieve
>>> faster
>
>>> boot times under the new system, too.
>
>>>
>
>>> If you who need a traditional cold shutdown to install new hardware
>>> on
>
>>> your PC or if you want one because you like it the old way,
>>> Microsoft
>
>>> allows you to revert to the old shutdown method either permanently
>
>>> (through a setting in the user interface--probably in the Control
>
>>> Panel, though Microsoft didn't explain this fully) or as a one-time
>
>>> occurrence from the command prompt.
>
>>>
>
>>> Windows isn't the only PC operating system to support speedy boots.
>
>>> Google's browser-only Chromebooks have fast boot times, and Apple's
>
>>> MacBook Air line also claims instant-on functionality.
>
>>>
>
>>> If you can't get enough Windows 8 news, check out PCWorld on
>>> Tuesday,
>
>>> September 13 when Microsoft is expected to provide even more details
>
>>> about its forthcoming OS during the company's BUILD conference.
>
>>>
>
>>> Windows 8 Fast Boot:
>
>>> --
>
>>>
>
>>> Chris Hallsworth
>
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