[ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?
- From: "Dan Rugman" <danrugman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:27:36 +0100
Mat,
There are several things you need to realise.
Firstly, making complex applications like this accessible needs a lot of
experience in a lot of different areas.
You need a thorough understanding of the application (which is not always
easy to get if you can't see it) and a good practical knowledge of the
subject which the software is use for. Noone would suggest that a green
groser should try to master software for tracking satalites.
Secondly, you have to know how blind people need information to be presented
to them (which a lot of sighted developers don't have). On top of this, you
need to have an understanding of Jaws. Precisely how much will depend on
the nature of the beast you're trying to access.
What this means is that there are in fact very few people in the world who
are actively making music technology accessible, I can think of about ten
and thats stretching it.
You said that GPO and the EastWest libraries are absolutely critical. This
is an extremely subjective point of view and although I understand that
there are people out there who want to use them, it might help for you to
hear a different point of view.
The GPO is an entry level sample library with a relatively small number of
instruments, some of which are incomplete. The bassoon is half an octave
too short, and the violas are missing an entire octave. The percussion
library is barely addaquite, and in some cases synthosized, and the samples
are not as easy to play as the publicity claims. This is hardly surprising
though, when you think about the price of £120 and the fact that it only
occupies 2GB of memory. As far as the EastWest libraries are concerned,
I've never liked the sound. The instruments are thin and too mechanical and
the last time I checked, several playing techniques were missing, such as
harmonics, although this may have been amended by now.
Lets just stop for a minute and look at some of the programs that the people
on this list, Midi Mag and the JSonar list would consider to be absolutely
critical: Sibelius, Finale, Lime, Logic, CUBASE, Sonar, ProTools, SADiE,
Nuendo, Adobi Audition, GiggerSampler, Reason
Ableton Live, Garage Band, Secoia, Reaper, WavLab, GoldWave, Sound Forge,
Mac5, Exs24, Halion, VSampler, Kontakt, ABSYNTH, Virus T, Dimension Pro,
GPO, EastWest, MotuOrchestral, Real Guitar, ... and the 2000 other vertual
instruments, ...and the 2000 other plugins
Even if we took all of the purely Mac based software off the list, it would
still be staggeringly large, and those of us who are actively scripting and
spotting would never get through it all. So how do we decide which software
gets done first?
The bottom line is that you can't please all of the people all of the time
and what might seem like a relatively simple apptlication to script could
turn into a two month campaign in no time at all. Please remember that a
lot of the work that has been done has been done in peoples own time, for
free, and that there is a big difference between making something accessible
enough to meet you're own personal needs, and making it work as a solution
which can be distributed to everyone else. The interface that users
interact with needs careful thinking about and then there's the not
insubstantial business of writing help files.
I'm sorry if this all sounds a bit agressive, but you need to remember that
we all want different things, and everyone of them takes up somebodies time.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Brown" <matthew_brown@xxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?
The thing I don't understand is if it's so easy, why are people asking if
Garriton Personal Orchestra or EWQL Symphonic Orchestra, or anything else
running NI kontakt or Kompakt etc are accessible or not? I can't believe
no one has spotted these absolutely critical production tools up by now!
I know that sighted help for advanced stuff is probably necessary, but out
of this entire community not one person has said, hey! There are HSC files
for GPO, Garriton Jazz and Big Band, Sonivox Broadway Big Band, Muse,
Mirislev Symphonic Orchestra, Giga etc.
I can't believe no one has spotted up GPO at least!
Is there an audio tutorial or demonstration of someone using HSC without
sighted assistance spotting up something like a NI instrument? If there is
I'd surely love to hear it!
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:48 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?
Mat wrote: Well I shall stand corrected then, but when I took a look at
the info put
together on HSC, it said, and I paraphrase, "Steep learning curve".
Phil replied: where does it say that? I run the:
www.hotspotclicker.org/
site and couldn't find that.
Mat wrote: The implication was that there was a lot to it and in order to
get the most
out of it it would be necessary to take some considerable time to learn
how
to use it.
Phil replied: depends what your doing. If you just want to use already
created sets then, there isn't much to learn at all. if you want to do
basic programming with it then, you just need to know a little about what
kind of Windows to use. For example, in most situations, when using the
HSC wizard set-up for a button, it's best to use "top Window Relative
coordinates." This particular setting seems to work best across systems.
Mat wrote: Are you saying I can just install and go? Just like that? No
learning curve
at all? Literally plug and play?
Phil replied, you would just need to install HSC then, download HSC sets
that have already been created and put them into the appropriate folder.
Then, all you have to do is run the HSC import Wizard. and you will be
good to go.
HSC has a modifier key, Alt+control+Shift. For example, in order to
import HSC sets, you would pres the key combination, Alt+Control+Shift+F1
twice quickly and choose import from the list box. Why don't you install
it and pull down all of the HSC sets you require for Sonar 6 from "The
HotSpot Sets Page." on:
www.hotspotclicker.org/
All information about where to place and how to import HSC sets is on
that page. If you need help with this, feel free to ether give me a call
on Skype or by phone and I will be happy to talk you through this.
Regards, Phil Muir
P J Muir Productions
Music And Audio Production
URL:
www.philmuir.com/
Band website:
www.steelstringmusic.co.uk/
Band my Space Site:
www.myspace.com/steelstringmusic
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Brown" <matthew_brown@xxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?
The thing I don't understand is if it's so easy, why are people asking if
Garriton Personal Orchestra or EWQL Symphonic Orchestra, or anything else
running NI kontakt or Kompakt etc are accessible or not? I can't believe
no one has spotted these absolutely critical production tools up by now!
I know that sighted help for advanced stuff is probably necessary, but out
of this entire community not one person has said, hey! There are HSC files
for GPO, Garriton Jazz and Big Band, Sonivox Broadway Big Band, Muse,
Mirislev Symphonic Orchestra, Giga etc.
I can't believe no one has spotted up GPO at least!
Is there an audio tutorial or demonstration of someone using HSC without
sighted assistance spotting up something like a NI instrument? If there is
I'd surely love to hear it!
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:48 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?
Mat wrote: Well I shall stand corrected then, but when I took a look at
the info put
together on HSC, it said, and I paraphrase, "Steep learning curve".
Phil replied: where does it say that? I run the:
www.hotspotclicker.org/
site and couldn't find that.
Mat wrote: The implication was that there was a lot to it and in order to
get the most
out of it it would be necessary to take some considerable time to learn
how
to use it.
Phil replied: depends what your doing. If you just want to use already
created sets then, there isn't much to learn at all. if you want to do
basic programming with it then, you just need to know a little about what
kind of Windows to use. For example, in most situations, when using the
HSC wizard set-up for a button, it's best to use "top Window Relative
coordinates." This particular setting seems to work best across systems.
Mat wrote: Are you saying I can just install and go? Just like that? No
learning curve
at all? Literally plug and play?
Phil replied, you would just need to install HSC then, download HSC sets
that have already been created and put them into the appropriate folder.
Then, all you have to do is run the HSC import Wizard. and you will be
good to go.
HSC has a modifier key, Alt+control+Shift. For example, in order to
import HSC sets, you would pres the key combination, Alt+Control+Shift+F1
twice quickly and choose import from the list box. Why don't you install
it and pull down all of the HSC sets you require for Sonar 6 from "The
HotSpot Sets Page." on:
www.hotspotclicker.org/
All information about where to place and how to import HSC sets is on
that page. If you need help with this, feel free to ether give me a call
on Skype or by phone and I will be happy to talk you through this.
Regards, Phil Muir
P J Muir Productions
Music And Audio Production
URL:
www.philmuir.com/
Band website:
www.steelstringmusic.co.uk/
Band my Space Site:
www.myspace.com/steelstringmusic
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