I like the idea of a donation for the shirt because we don't want to obligate anyone to be required to by the shirt. Those that know the tradition and history can then also make their decision. In the future with some organised fund raisers, we can use those funds rather than swimmer fees. I think in the by-laws or terms and conditions, we can perhaps more explicitly define which type of resources go to which purchasing. For example, fees go to coaching, water, city meet and state relay fees, and other items needed to run the team as a whole or benefit the team as a whole. Also in this category assuming any monies left over would be funds set aside for larger wish list items. Specific fund raisers could also be designed to supplement the reserve fund. But concessions, t-shirt sales, other fund raisers could go into the "fun" fund for popsicles, ice cream, gold caps, state t-shirts. I don't think we necessarily think we have to track all this specifically, but if it is stated as such, our intentions should be clear. Speaking of tracking monies and finances, Lisa and I were talking at City Meet and thought we almost need a treasurer and a bookkeeper. John as been acting as de-facto treasurer with writing checks since Lisa cannot. She has really been functioning as a bookkeeper. I also feel the VP position has not been early defined nor have Renee's talents been fully utilised. Heidi On July 22, 2014, at 3:39PM, Marlene Hutton wrote: