Thanks, Gerald. As you know, I always get confused by what is written here about the subject--and I keep changing. I'm glad you posted this with your examples. Cindy --- Gerald Hovas <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Blank lines are meaningful to the Bookshare tools, > but at some point it's > possible that additional blank lines are being > discarded. They may be lost > when the file is converted to the intermediate file > format (possibly XML) > which is used to create both the DAISY and BRF > books. > > The reason I say blank lines aren't meaningless is > because of what I have > noticed happening in the HTML file which can be > unpacked along with the > DAISY files. > > > Here is an example of a page from the first book I > submitted which does not > have blank lines at the top and bottom. The text > comes from the bottom of > page 9 and the top of page 10. As you can see, I > stripped the header. All > of the headers came out garbled because, from what > my Wife said, they were > in a smaller, thinner font and printed in green. > > ---------- > > like a freight train, and somebody in it talkin? on > a phone.? > > 9 > [Page Break] > She turned to the small crowd that had rushed out of > the Main > > ---------- > > > Now, here is the same text in the HTML file. > > ---------- > > like a freight train, and somebody in it talkin' on > a phone.? > > 10 She turned to the small crowd that had rushed out > of the Main > > ---------- > > > The Stripper recognized the page number for page 10 > properly, but when the > page number in the tag was added back to page 10 in > the HTML file, it was > attached to the front of the first paragraph on that > page. > > > Now here's an example from the second book I > submitted which had a blank > line at the top and bottom of the page. As you can > see, I've stripped the > header again. > > ---------- > > and the word spreading through the Grill like so > much > > 11 > > [Page Break] > > wildfire, and spilling out the door and up Main > Street > > ---------- > > > Now here's that same text from the HTML file. > > ---------- > > and the word spreading through the Grill like so > much > > 12 > > wildfire, and spilling out the door and up Main > Street > > ---------- > > > This time the page number from the DAISY tag was > placed on a line by itself > rather than attaching it to the first paragraph. > Again you can see that the > page number is moved to the top of the page because > of the way the tools > process page numbers. > > Granted two examples aren't much evidence to go on, > especially when someone > else validated the two books, but I've seen the > problem with page numbers in > many HTML files, and none of the books I've worked > on have this problem > other than my first book which doesn't contain a > blank line at the top and > bottom of each page. Unless someone can provide an > example where not having > the blank line at the top and bottom of the page > doesn't cause the error, > I'll continue to believe that the lack of the blank > lines is the reason for > the page number bug. > > Gerald > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > Behalf Of Sarah Van > Oosterwijck > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:53 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: opinions on blank > pages wanted > > > Blank lines are meaningless to the bookshare system. > You could put 0 blank > lines before and after the page number or dozens and > the system would view > it the same way. The first and last lines on a page > are considered > possible headers or footers no matter their > placement. > > A header is the first single line of text on a page > followed by a blank > line. > > A footer is the last single line of text on a page > when it is preceded by a > blank line. > > The number of blank lines before a header or after a > footer don't matter. > > The header or footer is stripped if (1) it is a page > number, (2) it is text > that repeats on several other pages. > > Page numbers currently only appear in DAISY books > when read with the right > software, but in the future, BookShare has informed > this list, that will > most likely change. They have indicated that they > want to improve access > so that braille readers and users of other software > might see the page > numbers as well. We just don't know when or how > this will be accomplished. > > I have started working on a tip about this, but I am > always trying to be > too thorough, and I try to write in a way that won't > confuse. The result > is that I am very slow. > > Sarah Van Oosterwijck > Assistive Technology Trainer > http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:53 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: opinions on blank > pages wanted > > > > Pratik, > > > > Is there any danger that by having the page number > on > > the new line right after the page break that it > will > > be deleted by the stripper? I've been leaving a > blank > > line before and after my page numbers, whether > they > > appear on the top or the bottom of the > page--likewise, > > before the page's text. IS this not necessary? > > > > Cindy > > > >> > >> At the top of the blank page write the pae nmber > and > >> press enter twice. So > >> your page would appears as follows. > >> > >> Page break > >> page number > >> new line > >> new line > >> page break > >> > >> This will allow the pagination to continue. > >> > >> Pratik > >> > >> > >> > >> Pratik Patel > >> Director, CUNY Assistive Technology Services > (CATS) > >> The City University of New York > >> pratik.patel@xxxxxxxxxxx > >> > >> > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > >> Behalf Of Estelnalissi > >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:46 PM > >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] opinions on blank pages > >> wanted > >> > >> > >> ~Hello Everyone, > >> > >> Sometimes in the book I'm validating there's a > blank > >> page after a chapter. > >> Page breaks are there one just below the other. > I've > >> been placing a blank > >> line under the page break, writing, blank page on > >> the second line and > >> leaving another blank line beneath. I thought the > >> stripper might delete my 2 > >> words. > >> > >> The other question is whether you think I should > >> write a page number on the > >> page. That's an oxymoron if ever there was one, > >> because the blank page would > >> now contain the words blank page and after a > skipped > >> line, a page number. > >> Some blank, huh? > >> > >> In the book, that blank doesn't have a printed > >> number, but it has been taken > >> in to account on the following page where the > >> chapter begins. for example, > >> last page of chapter is 80, blank page, first > page > >> of next chapter is 82. > >> > >> I'm asking because I have this bleary notion > we're > >> supposed to account for > >> all pages. I'm afraid if I don't write a notice > >> that there's a blank page > >> and assign it's number, the uploading program > might > >> think I've left pages > >> missing. > >> > >> Is that extra page break enough to account for > the > >> blank page? > >> > >> I've been using my judgment on this detail, but > >> wonder what the rest of you > >> do or if there's a right way to process these > blank > >> pages. > >> > >> Thank you in advance. > >> > >> Always With Love, > >> > >> Lissi > >> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email > to > > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject line. 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