Learning to use computers is a bit easier when you have someone to help. I will say that my learning curve did steepen when I finally got to the point that I knew how to join email lists. In fact, this very list has taught me a good deal about how to use my computer that has applications for me other than Bookshare. "If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine." Che Guevara The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com/txtindex.shtml Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html _ table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Wrong Book Date: 8/1/2009 3:17:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end Hi, Roger, your message made me laugh because I can identify with your experience. Learning would be a whole lot more fun if one had someone to speak with about the particular situation one is in. Then, of course, you have to wonder if the person understands you or if you can understand him/her. I personally could do without the yelling, screaming, crying, and the general desire to throw or hit something. Then there is the assumption that something should be obvious when in fact the thing isn't obvious to me. I think there is the assumption we learn things by osmosis. How one perceives and understands concepts differs from one person to another. What may work for you may not work with me and vice versa. God knows everyone has the capacity to think or reason (some more or less than others),but how one learns or if one learns will differ from one person to another. Some people can grasp things by drawing pictures in their minds; some can hear things and click on some concept which will crystallize the bit of knowledge for them and they have it. Do you like to separate items into various categories or bring everything together into a whole, i.e., do you use deductive or inductive reasoning? How do you analyze stuff? Enough of this. I hope for both our sakes we can get help we need when we need it rather than wandering around endlessly without a means of finding where we need to go. Good luck and best regards, Kim. PS.: I apologize for any incoherence on my part. It's bound to happen when one is trying to figure out how one knows what one knows. I'd better quit while I'm ahead. K.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Wrong Book Kim, I am a fellow techno-ignoramus. When I first got a computer I was really lucky that I even knew how to plug it in and I was completely on my own without anyone to even offer suggestions. I have come a long way though. I also have a long way to go too. My experiences with learning how to use a computer have convinced me of two things. The first one is that I am capable of learning anything about computers. The second is that every learning experience is an arduous adventure in frustration, exhaustion and agony. It is that second point that slows me down a lot. I tend to put off learning something because I know that it will be torture to do so. "If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine." Che Guevara The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com/txtindex.shtml Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html _ table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Wrong Book Date: 8/1/2009 2:50:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end Just a thought here, but there are days in which it had been better if I had stayed in bed. The day starts fine and proceeds downhill at a precipitous rate like an avalanche. Take the time when I had to uninstall my anti-virus software. Now that was fun and a half. It was a thoroughly frustrating day. Tech stuff always has the power and delight of frustrating and making me crazy. Again, everyone has had rotten days when one is feeling thoroughly disgusted about something or other, whether you brought it on yourself or circumstances came up and hit you. 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