But if they convert the daisy file itself to rtf that doesn't lose page breaks, right? Not the html that you can generate from daisy, but the daisy file itself. I thought I read a long time ago that it could be done with only one program but I do not remember what the program was. Jamie in Michigan Currently Reading - Shattered Dreams: My Life as a Polygamist's Wife by Irene Spencer With Skype you can make free calls over the Internet. Skype ? the whole world can talk for free