Cindy 4, I just had another thought. There are some public domain books on Bookshare that are available in Daisy format. Someone said they can convert Daisy to rtf. Maybe someone would do that for you? Jamie in Michigan Currently Reading - Shattered Dreams: My Life as a Polygamist's Wife by Irene Spencer With Skype you can make free calls over the Internet. Skype ? the whole world can talk for free