David,
That is a good idea. However, I still needed the touch cursor to interact with
the alert. And I still need to bring the focus to the alert window by using
Windows + tab. And I’m not sure how unchecking Kaspersky will affect other
types of KIS notifications such as those that pop up when interacting with an
audio stream or something other than a drive. But it is a very good work around
for thumb, external, and optical drives.
Merv
From: av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:40 AM
To: av-a11y@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [av-a11y] Re: Changes to Kaspersky
A thought just occurred to me regarding the Kaspersky notification window
appearing in the action center and not as a separate window.
What would happen if you went into Notification settings in Windows and
unchecked Kaspersky? I'm not able to try this, as my notifications are
currently appearing in its own window, with the exception of notifications
telling me that a scan was completed and that no threats were discovered.
For kicks:
Go into the notification settings and disable Kaspersky.
Now, plug in a USB thumb drive. Does the warning appear at all or in a separate
window?
On 3/20/2017 10:49 AM, Robin Frost wrote:
Hi,
I totally concur II dare you to suggest this to them along with some of us the
more the merrier though sadly I suspect they will not accommodate us though it
sure does make life easier when it’s done this way or could be user defined to
do such.
Robin
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 7:28 AM
To: av-a11y@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [av-a11y] Re: Changes to Kaspersky
If Kaspersky is choosing to place these notifications in the Action Center,
what they should consider is a user-definable option to allow notifications to
be shown either in the Action Center or in a separate window. The latter option
would allow the alt+tab hotkey to take you to the window where the dialog
appears.
David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist
Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>
On 3/19/2017 5:09 PM, Brenda wrote:
Hi Mike & Merve
thank you both for your info. with Win7 they make it so easy ity's hard. It
didn't occur to me to look for "help me focus". Once I found that I was able
to set the notification time to 5 minutes.
Now I need to get a notification when I'm at my computer so I can see how to
access it. I think shift tabbing might work. Merve mentioned how he used to
access notifications so I'll have to go back and find that in order to try it.
I need to get this stuff done soon as my AVG is almost expired and Kaspersky is
much better.
thanks again for all your help. I really appreciate this list.
brenda
On 3/19/2017 4:00 PM, Mike Winegarden wrote:
Hi Brenda
Did you get the ease of access figured out?
I am using JAWS 18 with windows 7 on this computer. Here is what I just did.
Windows button and then I typed ease
The ease of access centre came up right away. I hit enter.
I tabbed 13 times or so to, make it easier to focus on tasks link. Hit enter.
I then tabbed about 10 times to, how long should windows notification dialog
boxes stay open. Then arrow down to the time you desire. I just set it to 1
minute from 5 seconds.
I don’t have Kaspersky on this machine but I do on my windows 10 computer and I
haven’t even looked at that yet.
Ok, Now I have this time increased on this windows machine I don’t know how to
access the alerts when they come up.
I’m part way there though, right? Grin.
Michael
From: av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Brenda
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 4:26 PM
To: av-a11y@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [av-a11y] Re: Changes to Kaspersky
Hi Merv
thank you for these steps to work with kaspersky. I'm using a win 7 machine
and can't even figure out how to make notifications last longer. I can't seem
to find this in settings. Pressing Windows I doesn't do it, nor does typing
ease of access in the search box.
I use Window-Eyes right now, and I imagine using the mouse pointer is like the
touch pointer in jaws once I get that far.
I'm hoping you or someone else can help me change the notification setting
using win7.
thanks,
thanks,
brenda
On 3/18/2017 2:32 PM, Merv Keck wrote:
Hi David, Brenda and all:
You are correct David that windows has started placing this in the action
center. This is new behavior as of about a week ago. Before that, it appeared
as an alert window in the upper right corner of the screen and I could select
it with Windows + tab if I chose to. And I could tab around in that window and
make a number of selections. Now it is relegated to the Action center. And
Windows + A will access it. I spent a great deal of time learning how to best
access this window last night and I have several work arounds. At least for
Jaws 18. I don’t know how that translates to NVDA 17.1. I have NVDA on my
system but I have not tested it yet.
First I have my toasts staying around long enough for me to act upon them. I
did that by going into settings, Windows + I, and then going to Ease of access.
And then selecting Other. And then changing the combo box for time a
notification stays up from a few seconds to as long as I choose. I chose 5
minutes but some may choose 30 seconds or 1 minute.
Then while in Settings, I go to system. And then to Notifications and Actions.
Once I tap enter on Notifications and Actions I tab to Kaspersky and make sure
that it is checked. If it is not checked I will check it by tapping space. Once
I check it I will be taken to Home so I will have to tab back through again.
That is a Windows flaw and just needs to be done. Don’t let it distract you. If
you do not have Kaspersky checked and you check it now it will give you various
options to tab through such as number of notifications to display and type of
priority. I set mine for 3 notifications and top priority. I then had to tap
space twice in order to confirm the settings.
Now when I do anything that ordinarily brings up a Kaspersky notification it
shows up in my alert pop up. And I have time to tap windows + A in order to act
on it.
Now here is the part where Jaws may act different than NVDA. Some notifications
require me to access my touch cursor to act upon them. So I tap Shift + the
Plus key on my numeric keypad and Jaws says touch cursor. Then I arrow left or
right through the notification until I hear the button I want or check box and
I tap space. When I am done with touch cursor I tap the Plus key on the numeric
keypad twice and it says PC cursor.
I have tested this with a variety of situations. I’m not promising this will
work 100% of the time. But so far it has served me well.
Hope that helps.
Merv
From: av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 9:57 AM
To: av-a11y@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [av-a11y] Re: Changes to Kaspersky
As I am a Kaspersky user I find this of particular interest. I am not seeing
this behavior but I am not using any of the Internet security packages. I'm
using Kaspersky Antivirus 17.0.0.611D, Windows 10 with NVDA 2017.1. I'm
wondering if the options are appearing in the Windows action center, rather
than a separate window? That's just a guess, however. If you press the Windows
key with the letter A is the message from Kaspersky in that list?
I would encourage you to contact them about this, especially via Twitter.
David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist
Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>
On 3/17/2017 8:04 PM, Merv Keck wrote:
I also tried it with NVDA with the same results. I will see what narrator does
tonight but I’m expecting the results to be the same.
From: av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 6:08 PM
To: av-a11y@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [av-a11y] Re: Changes to Kaspersky
Hi,
Yes sir I’ve noted this for about the past week or so with JFW 17 and NVDA
under Windows 10 and wondered what precipitated the change as it displeases and
worries me. I switched from Vipre to Kaspersky due to the promise of better
accessibility once installed so to see it potentially take a hit is a bit
disquieting.
Robin
From: Merv Keck
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 4:42 PM
To: av-a11y@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [av-a11y] Changes to Kaspersky
Hi,
I am using Kaspersky Internet Security 2017, KIS 17. Beginning very recently
the notifications that popped up when something needed permission such as a
thumb drive was inserted or an audio stream was accessed beyond the usual
security setting, was changed so that it is no longer possible to just tab
through the options and tap space on the button to either allow or not allow
whatever your choice is for any given situation. I am not sure if this sudden
and recent change has occurred because of Windows or because of Kaspersky. I am
using windows 10 and Jaws 18 with KIS 17. I was wondering if anyone else is
noticing this decreased accessibility with any other configuration of PC,
screen reader, and Kaspersky product? I know two others with my configuration
who are having the same issue.
Merv
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David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist
Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>
