Merv,
You're absolutely correct. I should have clarified that I don't mean to
imply that you should disable notifications on a permanent basis
because, as you said, we don't know how that would impact the quality or
amount of warnings Kaspersky might generate. I'm only saying that doing
that would at least confirm that enabling notifications is at least
causing the notification of a new drive to no longer appear in its own
window. That's quite an awkward couple of sentences and I apologize for
that. At least, if you can verify this is what is happening you could
then go to Kaspersky and let them know how this change is having a
negative impact on accessibility. It's odd, however, that I'm not seeing
this behavior so far. I do get notified in the action center upon
completion of a scan but not on the discovery of newly inserted thumb
drives.
On 3/20/2017 2:21 PM, Merv Keck wrote:
David,
That is a good idea. However, I still needed the touch cursor to interact with the alert. And I still need to bring the focus to the alert window by using Windows + tab. And I’m not sure how unchecking Kaspersky will affect other types of KIS notifications such as those that pop up when interacting with an audio stream or something other than a drive. But it is a very good work around for thumb, external, and optical drives.
Merv
*From:*av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *David Goldfield
*Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2017 11:40 AM
*To:* av-a11y@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [av-a11y] Re: Changes to Kaspersky
A thought just occurred to me regarding the Kaspersky notification window appearing in the action center and not as a separate window.
What would happen if you went into Notification settings in Windows and unchecked Kaspersky? I'm not able to try this, as my notifications are currently appearing in its own window, with the exception of notifications telling me that a scan was completed and that no threats were discovered.
For kicks:
Go into the notification settings and disable Kaspersky.
Now, plug in a USB thumb drive. Does the warning appear at all or in a separate window?
On 3/20/2017 10:49 AM, Robin Frost wrote:
Hi,
I totally concur II dare you to suggest this to them along with
some of us the more the merrier though sadly I suspect they will
not accommodate us though it sure does make life easier when it’s
done this way or could be user defined to do such.
Robin
*From:*David Goldfield
*Sent:*Monday, March 20, 2017 7:28 AM
*To:*av-a11y@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:*[av-a11y] Re: Changes to Kaspersky
If Kaspersky is choosing to place these notifications in the
Action Center, what they should consider is a user-definable
option to allow notifications to be shown either in the Action
Center or in a separate window. The latter option would allow the
alt+tab hotkey to take you to the window where the dialog appears.
David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist
Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>
On 3/19/2017 5:09 PM, Brenda wrote:
Hi Mike & Merve
thank you both for your info. with Win7 they make it so easy
ity's hard. It didn't occur to me to look for "help me
focus". Once I found that I was able to set the notification
time to 5 minutes.
Now I need to get a notification when I'm at my computer so I
can see how to access it. I think shift tabbing might work. Merve mentioned how he used to access notifications so I'll
have to go back and find that in order to try it.
I need to get this stuff done soon as my AVG is almost expired
and Kaspersky is much better.
thanks again for all your help. I really appreciate this list.
brenda
On 3/19/2017 4:00 PM, Mike Winegarden wrote:
Hi Brenda
Did you get the ease of access figured out?
I am using JAWS 18 with windows 7 on this computer. Here
is what I just did.
Windows button and then I typed ease
The ease of access centre came up right away. I hit enter.
I tabbed 13 times or so to, make it easier to focus on
tasks link. Hit enter.
I then tabbed about 10 times to, how long should windows
notification dialog boxes stay open. Then arrow down to
the time you desire. I just set it to 1 minute from 5
seconds.
I don’t have Kasperskyon this machine but I do on my
windows 10 computer and I haven’t even looked at that yet.
Ok, Now I have this time increased on this windows machine
I don’t know how to access the alerts when they come up.
I’m part way there though, right? Grin.
Michael
*From:*av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Brenda
*Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2017 4:26 PM
*To:* av-a11y@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [av-a11y] Re: Changes to Kaspersky
Hi Merv
thank you for these steps to work with kaspersky. I'm
using a win 7 machine and can't even figure out how to
make notifications last longer. I can't seem to find this
in settings. Pressing Windows I doesn't do it, nor does
typing ease of access in the search box.
I use Window-Eyes right now, and I imagine using the mouse
pointer is like the touch pointer in jaws once I get that far.
I'm hoping you or someone else can help me change the
notification setting using win7.
thanks,
thanks,
brenda
On 3/18/2017 2:32 PM, Merv Keck wrote:
Hi David, Brenda and all:
You are correct David that windows has started placing
this in the action center. This is new behavior as of
about a week ago. Before that, it appeared as an alert
window in the upper right corner of the screen and I
could select it with Windows + tab if I chose to. And
I could tab around in that window and make a number of
selections. Now it is relegated to the Action center.
And Windows + A will access it. I spent a great deal
of time learning how to best access this window last
night and I have several work arounds. At least for
Jaws 18. I don’t know how that translates to NVDA
17.1. I have NVDA on my system but I have not tested
it yet.
First I have my toasts staying around long enough for
me to act upon them. I did that by going into
settings, Windows + I, and then going to Ease of
access. And then selecting Other. And then changing
the combo box for time a notification stays up from a
few seconds to as long as I choose. I chose 5 minutes
but some may choose 30 seconds or 1 minute.
Then while in Settings, I go to system. And then to
Notifications and Actions. Once I tap enter on
Notifications and Actions I tab to Kaspersky and make
sure that it is checked. If it is not checked I will
check it by tapping space. Once I check it I will be
taken to Home so I will have to tab back through
again. That is a Windows flaw and just needs to be
done. Don’t let it distract you. If you do not have
Kaspersky checked and you check it now it will give
you various options to tab through such as number of
notifications to display and type of priority. I set
mine for 3 notifications and top priority. I then had
to tap space twice in order to confirm the settings.
Now when I do anything that ordinarily brings up a
Kaspersky notification it shows up in my alert pop up.
And I have time to tap windows + A in order to act on it.
Now here is the part where Jaws may act different than
NVDA. Some notifications require me to access my touch
cursor to act upon them. So I tap Shift + the Plus key
on my numeric keypad and Jaws says touch cursor. Then
I arrow left or right through the notification until I
hear the button I want or check box and I tap space.
When I am done with touch cursor I tap the Plus key on
the numeric keypad twice and it says PC cursor.
I have tested this with a variety of situations. I’m
not promising this will work 100% of the time. But so
far it has served me well.
Hope that helps.
Merv
*From:*av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of
*David Goldfield
*Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2017 9:57 AM
*To:* av-a11y@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [av-a11y] Re: Changes to Kaspersky
As I am a Kaspersky user I find this of particular
interest. I am not seeing this behavior but I am not
using any of the Internet security packages. I'm using
Kaspersky Antivirus 17.0.0.611D, Windows 10 with NVDA
2017.1. I'm wondering if the options are appearing in
the Windows action center, rather than a separate
window? That's just a guess, however. If you press the
Windows key with the letter A is the message from
Kaspersky in that list?
I would encourage you to contact them about this,
especially via Twitter.
David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist
Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>
On 3/17/2017 8:04 PM, Merv Keck wrote:
I also tried it with NVDA with the same results. I
will see what narrator does tonight but I’m
expecting the results to be the same.
*From:* av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:av-a11y-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf
Of *Robin Frost
*Sent:* Friday, March 17, 2017 6:08 PM
*To:* av-a11y@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [av-a11y] Re: Changes to Kaspersky
Hi,
Yes sir I’ve noted this for about the past week or
so with JFW 17 and NVDA under Windows 10 and
wondered what precipitated the change as it
displeases and worries me. I switched from Vipre
to Kaspersky due to the promise of better
accessibility once installed so to see it
potentially take a hit is a bit disquieting.
Robin
*From:*Merv Keck
*Sent:*Friday, March 17, 2017 4:42 PM
*To:*av-a11y@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:*[av-a11y] Changes to Kaspersky
Hi,
I am using Kaspersky Internet Security 2017, KIS
17. Beginning very recently the notifications that
popped up when something needed permission such as
a thumb drive was inserted or an audio stream was
accessed beyond the usual security setting, was
changed so that it is no longer possible to just
tab through the options and tap space on the
button to either allow or not allow whatever your
choice is for any given situation. I am not sure
if this sudden and recent change has occurred
because of Windows or because of Kaspersky. I am
using windows 10 and Jaws 18 with KIS 17. I was
wondering if anyone else is noticing this
decreased accessibility with any other
configuration of PC, screen reader, and Kaspersky
product? I know two others with my configuration
who are having the same issue.
Merv
--
David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist
Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>
