On 2010 Mar 20, at 11:41 AM, Karljohan Lundin Palmerius wrote: > The clipped and scaled whites that you talk about, isn't that a > difference in the raw converter rather than the profile? It could be that, or it could be different use of the -u flag in colprof. > Could it be > that we have different default rendering intent in the profile? I'm > not sure I understand what would make that difference. That's another possibility. If you put a bit of thought into it, the only way a profile can even begin to make sense is if the RAW conversion was performed identically. A bit more thought reveals that the lighting and exposure has to be identical, as well. I don't bother with profiling a camera unless I'm attempting colorimetric reproduction of the scene, which basically means copying artwork and nothing else. And, for that, I adjust lighting and exposure until that's as close to perfect as I can get it; take a picture of the profile target; take a picture with identical settings of the art; generate a custom profile from the target; and apply the target to the picture. If I'm shooting multiple works in a single session (and the lighting isn't changing), I'll only use the one profile. But, if anything at all changes, I create another profile. For other kinds of photography, I've been using the creative tools in Adobe Camera Raw as they were intended. If the download will ever complete, I'm planning on giving Capture One a go; it seems to have the potential to be much superior. Of course, everything after capture is color managed in all situations, regardless of the method or intention of the capture. Cheers, b&