Jeff, one of the designs I tried to scale was only 5 mg...right out of the dakota selection...no fonts, nothing! tried both ways to scale. Before installing the upgrade, I had no problem scaling anything-that's why I went back to the previous design for a 'barbecue pig roast' because I had scaled everything in that only a couple weeks ago and had no problem-the week before we upgraded. Can't even load in your first design you sent back to me-trying the second one now... Roland