[access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?

I know what you mean about breaking the spines of books.  My daughter
purchased a book at a library book sale which was published about 1897 or
something like that.  It is so old I am afraid to scan it for fear of
damaging it, and she doesn't live at home anymore and is not available to
read it for me.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:52 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?


> ... And when you break the spine of a library book in order to scan it,
> they're usually not impressed.
>
> We have to recognise here that in the time that it takes for you to scan
> one book, sighted friends or colleagues could have immediately started
> reading a book and skimmed about 10 others very satisfactorily within
> the same time period.
>
> We need to take the scanning out of the equation.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Barry
> Sent: 15 April 2005 09:39
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>
>
> I know what you mean.  When you have spent 3 hours scanning a book from
> the
> library, you're a bit loathe to delete it when you take the book back.
> There's also the expense of buying OCR programmes that are half decent.
>
> Barry H
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tyrer, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Tyrer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:30 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>
>
> I have no problem paying for books - book sharing isn't about getting
> free
> books.  What really pisses me off though is having to spend three
> bleeding
> hours scanning the bugger in before I can read it!
>
> JT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> Of Ray's Home
> Sent: 14 April 2005 16:34
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>
>
> Well Angel, if I might join in, lending libraries here in the UK are a
> public service, well what's left of them!  The notion of public service
> has
> taken quite a pasting here in the last quarter century so, not
> surprisingly,
> you are often hard pressed to find the latest books there.
>
> As for 'rational' arguments for stealing, well certain theologians in
> the
> middle ages  did argue that stealing food for survival was OK, just as
> much
> as you needed to stay alive that is.  I guess Daman is arguing for the
> right
> for food for the soul, as man/woman does not live by food alone.
>
> I can only say that what's left of my reason is down to a lot of
> reading,
> much of it on tape, when I was very down and depressed.  The sheer farce
> of
> trying to study at a higher level without anything approaching the
> breadth
> of material available to other students has to be gone through to be
> believed.
>
> I still have just enough sight to buy books in print occasionally and
> its
> certainly a sad fact that your average high street bookshop these days
> has
> many times more books available to buy than we get our hands on in all
> the
> various formats.  I just wonder how much those here would be prepared to
> pay
> to own a copy if that were an option.  Seems to me that unabridged audio
>
> books are always going to be at a premium price although I do not see
> that
> the margin has to be as high as it is now.
>
> Obviously, this is a very involved subject when you get down to it.  I
> just
> wonder how greater percentage of text material can and will be made
> available, and more to the point, how?  Taking the risk of resurrecting
> the
> format wars here, Braille versus audio versus computer etc. just how
> will
> the extreme demand for stuff in whatever format we want hold up to
> reality?
>
> By the way, I've shortened the whole message here as, apart from
> wondering
> offoff the original topic, I feared it would excede the file size
> allowed on
> this list!
> Ray
>
> Personal emails:  Email me at
> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Angel"
>
> > Libraries give books for free because of their community obligation,
> > not because of a human rite any may have.  Have you tried to get the
> > books you seek from sources like Audible.com.  The people there have
> > gone out of their way to make their site and books accessible to us.
> > There is no rational explanation for stealing.
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Damon Rose"
> >
> >> Why shouldn't access to the latest cultural input be seen as a human
> > right? Libraries give reference books and novels out for free for
> > similar reasons, surely?
> >>
> >> What about classic books of our time, thos that are social
> >> commentaries
> > such as 1984 or Catcher in the Rye? They're touchstones in common
> > parliance,
> > using the term 'big brother society' uses a character from a novel to
> > shortcut, yet also add colour to, an explanation about a complicated
> > concept
> > that was neatly wrapped up by Orwell.
> >>
> >> Books like Turn of the Century in 1999 really tapped into the
> > technological and social zeitgeist.
> >>
> >> Books such as Fast Food Nation or Jon Snow's autobiography Shooting
> > History,  for instance, are not exactly reference books but contain an
> > awful
> > lot of important and significant commentary and information.
> >>
> >> It's hard to draw the line and there's no good reason to continue to
> >> make
> > books inaccessible.
> >>
> >> I would prefer to pay publishers and authors for their work so that
> >> they
> > will continue to publish great books.  I would like authors to benefit
> > from
> > my individual purchase.  But if books are inaccessible then they kind
> of
> > have to accept that we steal their texts.
> >>
> >> In a lot of ways, they are stealing things away from us in the first
> > place, we're just steeling it bak again.
> >>
> >> ...Damon
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
>  Angel
> >>
> >> How do you figure having access to the latest novels or whatever you
> >> want
> > to read is a basic human rite.  In which constitution does it say
> > this?
> > If
> > you can't read print you can either purchase a scanner and reading
> > software,
> > or go to the library and use their equipment for such pursuits.
> Though
> > basic literacy has been found to be a basic human rite being able to
> read
>
> > your favorite novel is not.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Damon"
>
> >> > Yes, it's a shame isn't it.
> >> >
> >> > I download illegally shared eBooks too because I can't read print.
> >> >
> >> > Access to knowledge and culture is a human right and, I'd say we
> >> > can't really describe it as thievery.  I'd describe it as taking
> >> > something that should rightfully be in our domain anyway.
> >> >
> >> > It's only thievery if one can get it thru the normal means.  If you
>
> >> > are denied access to it, yet fundamentally it should be a human
> >> > right, then
> >> you
> >> > have to be creative and inventive about gaining access to it.
> >> >
> >> > ...Damon
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Angel"
> >> >
> >> > > I would hate to think that to become a part of society one must
> >> > > resort
> >> to
> >> > > thievery.
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > >
> >> > > > I use exactly the same argument regarding downloading tv shows
> >> > > > on
> >> > > BitTorrent.  If the manufacturers and service providers of things
>
> >> > > like
> >> > TiVo
> >> > > and Sky Digital don't bother to make their products accessible
> >> > > then I'll steal their content from elsewhere in order that I can
> >> > > be part of this
> >> > here
> >> > > society.  Thank you.  And yes I'd be happy to see what a
> >> > > courtroom made
> >> of
> >> > > that too.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > Of Tyrer, Jonathan
> >> > > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:42
> >> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I wonder if I should turn myself into the police for pirating
> >> > > > music
> >> from
> >> > > the Net.  None of the pay for music sites are accessible so I am
> >> > > forced
> >> to
> >> > > steal music instead.  I'd like to go to court for that I think!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > JT
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > Damon Rose
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Here's another solution.  Why don't we just all sue Apple?  Or
> >> > > > mail
> >> them
> >> > > in our droves?  All the faffing around we have to do to gain a
> >> > > weeny bit
> >> > of
> >> > > access, whilst still giving these companies our money, really
> >> > > really
> >> bugs
> >> > > the hell out of me.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>
> >
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