[access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
- From: Mel Spooner <mel.spooner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:40:09 +0100
Very well put Damon. "I agree" Emails are normally a waste of band width
I know, but I feel strongly that all the time people are prepared to sit
back and accept that we do not have access to the great majority of
printed material, nothing will change.
Mel
Mel Spooner
edIT Help Desk
Nottinghamshire County Council
Tel 0115 854 6116
Email mel.spooner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Damon Rose
Sent: 14 April 2005 10:58
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
Why shouldn't access to the latest cultural input be seen as a human
right? Libraries give reference books and novels out for free for similar
reasons, surely?
What about classic books of our time, thos that are social commentaries
such as 1984 or Catcher in the Rye? They're touchstones in common
parliance, using the term 'big brother society' uses a character from a
novel to shortcut, yet also add colour to, an explanation about a
complicated concept that was neatly wrapped up by Orwell.
Books like Turn of the Century in 1999 really tapped into the
technological and social zeitgeist.
Books such as Fast Food Nation or Jon Snow's autobiography Shooting
History, for instance, are not exactly reference books but contain an
awful lot of important and significant commentary and information.
It's hard to draw the line and there's no good reason to continue to make
books inaccessible.
I would prefer to pay publishers and authors for their work so that they
will continue to publish great books. I would like authors to benefit
from my individual purchase. But if books are inaccessible then they kind
of have to accept that we steal their texts.
In a lot of ways, they are stealing things away from us in the first
place, we're just steeling it bak again.
...Damon
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Angel
Sent: 14 April 2005 07:22
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
How do you figure having access to the latest novels or whatever you want
to read is a basic human rite. In which constitution does it say this?
If you can't read print you can either purchase a scanner and reading
software, or go to the library and use their equipment for such pursuits.
Though basic literacy has been found to be a basic human rite being able
to read your favorite novel is not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:50 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> Yes, it's a shame isn't it.
>
> I download illegally shared eBooks too because I can't read print.
>
> Access to knowledge and culture is a human right and, I'd say we can't
> really describe it as thievery. I'd describe it as taking something
> that should rightfully be in our domain anyway.
>
> It's only thievery if one can get it thru the normal means. If you
> are denied access to it, yet fundamentally it should be a human right,
> then
you
> have to be creative and inventive about gaining access to it.
>
> ...Damon
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angel" <angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:01 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>
>
> > I would hate to think that to become a part of society one must
> > resort
to
> > thievery.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:54 AM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> >
> >
> > > I use exactly the same argument regarding downloading tv shows on
> > BitTorrent. If the manufacturers and service providers of things
> > like
> TiVo
> > and Sky Digital don't bother to make their products accessible then
> > I'll steal their content from elsewhere in order that I can be part
> > of this
> here
> > society. Thank you. And yes I'd be happy to see what a courtroom
> > made
of
> > that too.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> > Of Tyrer, Jonathan
> > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:42
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > I wonder if I should turn myself into the police for pirating
> > > music
from
> > the Net. None of the pay for music sites are accessible so I am
> > forced
to
> > steal music instead. I'd like to go to court for that I think!
> > >
> > > JT
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf
> Of
> > Damon Rose
> > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:30
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's another solution. Why don't we just all sue Apple? Or
> > > mail
them
> > in our droves? All the faffing around we have to do to gain a weeny
> > bit
> of
> > access, whilst still giving these companies our money, really really
bugs
> > the hell out of me.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 13 April 2005 14:55
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > Again, the problems of physical control of the item and the
> accessibility
> > of the software will be crucial. The iPod shuffle is a different
> > sort
of
> > device, intended to have its contents changed on a daily basis
> > rather
than
> > holding your entire music collection. It's early days still with
> > these products, but the signs are encouraging.
> > >
> > > My choice is to get an IPod shuffle for now and leave the choice
> > > of
> > hard-disk player and online music store for later.
> > >
> > > Jonathan
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf
> Of
> > Damon Rose
> > > Sent: 13 April 2005 14:02
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > But it's only an iPod shuffle, around a gig of memory, no hard
> > > drive.
> > Admittedly it's reasonably priced tho.
> > >
> > > Sony already has an arguably much better product out on the market
which
> > has 3 times the battery power. It's in their Network Walkman range
> > and
> > called: NW-HD5. It has 20 gigs of storage and is said to be cheaper
than
> an
> > iPod.
> > >
> > > Here's a link to a story about it (it goes over two lines so it
> > > might
be
> > better to cut and paste it into your browser address bar):
> > >
> >
>
http://www.digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=platforms&id=2
084
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen it? Felt itt? An iPod ain't exactly the most
accessible
> > of objects besides the software being inaccessible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> > Of Carol Pearson
> > > Sent: 13 April 2005 13:43
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > > So you're saying the IPOD you have is completely workable for a
> > > blind
> > person? Now we could be interested. . . ..
> > >
> > > (Sorry I haven't really followed this thread as, so far as I was
aware,
> > nothing was really good; so if you're saying it works for you then
please
> > confirm whether this is just to put software onto the IPOD, or can
> > you choose everything you want to play? If the latter, how much can
> > you
store
> > and please give full details of the IPOD
> > >
> > > Thank.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> > Of Steve Nutt
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:00 PM
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Tris,
> > >
> > > I don't think you need the Itunes software, if you get the Ipod
Explorer
> > from Red Chair software. It makes the Ipod look just like another
drive.
> > >
> > > All the best
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf
> Of
> > Tristram Llewellyn
> > > Sent: 12 April 2005 16:14
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > Whilst iPod or iPod mini can come up as an external drive the
> > > actual
way
> > it stores and organises it's data is quite another bucket of freshly
mixed
> > mud since it is not human friendly. For this bit you need iTunes or
> Anapod
> > to help you do the organisation for you.
> > >
> > > I personally take a dislike to iTunes software but on the other
> > > hand
> > cannot deny the ease of use in that it more or less automates the
process
> of
> > feeding stuff in to synchronising with the iPod. Anapod can deal
> > with
the
> > iPod but the experience is not so slick.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > Tristram Llewellyn
> > > Sight and Sound Technology
> > > Technical Support
> > > www.sightandsound.co.uk
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mel Spooner" <mel.spooner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:26 PM
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I was wondering whether it would be possible to connect the Ipod
> > > to
the
> PC
> > without installing the software, and whether it would appear as a
> > drive
in
> > Explorer. Then files could just be copied over? I have done this
> > with
a
> > digital camera and wonder if it would work in the same way.
> > >
> > > Mel
> > >
> > > Mel Spooner
> > > edIT Help Desk
> > > Nottinghamshire County Council
> > > Tel 0115 854 6116
> > > Email mel.spooner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> > Of Tyrer, Jonathan
> > > Sent: 11 April 2005 15:44
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > There are some people who apparently have no sight and who say
> > > they
can
> > use and IPod without any problems. I looked at one of the click
> > wheel models and think it would be next to impossible to do.
> > >
> > > So, the IPod shuffle seems the most suitable alternative.
> > > Designed
> > without a screen, with a wheel with fixed functions, it seems
> > perfect.
> Plus,
> > it's only £99.99 for a 1Gb version. Shame the accessories are so
bleeding
> > expensive.
> > >
> > > The problem with Ipods isn't really the hardware however. It's
> > > the
> ITunes
> > software that can cause you the most trouble. A lot of people have
> reported
> > that it is a swine with screen-readers. In fact, it is that bad
> > that it won't even work with Apples new screen-reader they are
> > bundling with the next release of there operating system.
> > >
> > > There is however a solution, Anapod explorer from red chair
> > > software.
> This
> > now supports the IPod shuffle and gives access to the shuffle like
> > most other devices in Windows Explorer.
> > >
> > > Of course, you have to use another method of getting music onto
> > > your
PC,
> > but at least you can now get it onto an IPod and look cool!
> > >
> > > Jonathan
> > >
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