[access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
- From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:57:25 +0100
Blindness is also synonymous with poverty.
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Angel
Sent: 15 April 2005 15:54
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
I agree, but blindness is synonymous with expensive, and inconvenient.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyrer, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Tyrer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:30 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> I have no problem paying for books - book sharing isn't about getting
> free
books. What really pisses me off though is having to spend three
bleeding hours scanning the bugger in before I can read it!
>
> JT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Ray's Home
> Sent: 14 April 2005 16:34
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>
>
> Well Angel, if I might join in, lending libraries here in the UK are a
public service, well what's left of them! The notion of public service
has taken quite a pasting here in the last quarter century so, not
surprisingly, you are often hard pressed to find the latest books there.
>
> As for 'rational' arguments for stealing, well certain theologians in
> the
middle ages did argue that stealing food for survival was OK, just as
much as you needed to stay alive that is. I guess Daman is arguing for
the right for food for the soul, as man/woman does not live by food
alone.
>
> I can only say that what's left of my reason is down to a lot of
> reading,
much of it on tape, when I was very down and depressed. The sheer farce
of trying to study at a higher level without anything approaching the
breadth of material available to other students has to be gone through
to be believed.
>
> I still have just enough sight to buy books in print occasionally and
> its
certainly a sad fact that your average high street bookshop these days
has many times more books available to buy than we get our hands on in
all the various formats. I just wonder how much those here would be
prepared to pay to own a copy if that were an option. Seems to me that
unabridged audio books are always going to be at a premium price
although I do not see that the margin has to be as high as it is now.
>
> Obviously, this is a very involved subject when you get down to it. I
just wonder how greater percentage of text material can and will be made
available, and more to the point, how? Taking the risk of resurrecting
the format wars here, Braille versus audio versus computer etc. just how
will the extreme demand for stuff in whatever format we want hold up to
reality?
>
> By the way, I've shortened the whole message here as, apart from
> wondering
offoff the original topic, I feared it would excede the file size
allowed on this list!
> Ray
>
> Personal emails: Email me at
> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angel"
>
> > Libraries give books for free because of their community obligation,
> > not because of a human rite any may have. Have you tried to get the
> > books
you
> > seek from sources like Audible.com. The people there have gone out
> > of
their
> > way to make their site and books accessible to us. There is no
> > rational explanation for stealing.
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Damon Rose"
> >
> >> Why shouldn't access to the latest cultural input be seen as a
> >> human
> > right? Libraries give reference books and novels out for free for
similar
> > reasons, surely?
> >>
> >> What about classic books of our time, thos that are social
> >> commentaries
> > such as 1984 or Catcher in the Rye? They're touchstones in common
parliance,
> > using the term 'big brother society' uses a character from a novel
> > to shortcut, yet also add colour to, an explanation about a
> > complicated
concept
> > that was neatly wrapped up by Orwell.
> >>
> >> Books like Turn of the Century in 1999 really tapped into the
> > technological and social zeitgeist.
> >>
> >> Books such as Fast Food Nation or Jon Snow's autobiography Shooting
> > History, for instance, are not exactly reference books but contain
> > an
awful
> > lot of important and significant commentary and information.
> >>
> >> It's hard to draw the line and there's no good reason to continue
> >> to
make
> > books inaccessible.
> >>
> >> I would prefer to pay publishers and authors for their work so that
they
> > will continue to publish great books. I would like authors to
> > benefit
from
> > my individual purchase. But if books are inaccessible then they
> > kind of have to accept that we steal their texts.
> >>
> >> In a lot of ways, they are stealing things away from us in the
> >> first
> > place, we're just steeling it bak again.
> >>
> >> ...Damon
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> Angel
> >>
> >> How do you figure having access to the latest novels or whatever
> >> you
want
> > to read is a basic human rite. In which constitution does it say
> > this?
If
> > you can't read print you can either purchase a scanner and reading
software,
> > or go to the library and use their equipment for such pursuits.
> > Though basic literacy has been found to be a basic human rite being
> > able to
read
>
> > your favorite novel is not.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Damon"
>
> >> > Yes, it's a shame isn't it.
> >> >
> >> > I download illegally shared eBooks too because I can't read
> >> > print.
> >> >
> >> > Access to knowledge and culture is a human right and, I'd say we
can't
> >> > really describe it as thievery. I'd describe it as taking
> >> > something that should rightfully be in our domain anyway.
> >> >
> >> > It's only thievery if one can get it thru the normal means. If
> >> > you are denied access to it, yet fundamentally it should be a
> >> > human
right,
> >> > then
> >> you
> >> > have to be creative and inventive about gaining access to it.
> >> >
> >> > ...Damon
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Angel"
> >> >
> >> > > I would hate to think that to become a part of society one must
> >> > > resort
> >> to
> >> > > thievery.
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > >
> >> > > > I use exactly the same argument regarding downloading tv
> >> > > > shows on
> >> > > BitTorrent. If the manufacturers and service providers of
> >> > > things like
> >> > TiVo
> >> > > and Sky Digital don't bother to make their products accessible
> >> > > then I'll steal their content from elsewhere in order that I
> >> > > can be part of this
> >> > here
> >> > > society. Thank you. And yes I'd be happy to see what a
> >> > > courtroom made
> >> of
> >> > > that too.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > Of Tyrer, Jonathan
> >> > > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:42
> >> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I wonder if I should turn myself into the police for pirating
> >> > > > music
> >> from
> >> > > the Net. None of the pay for music sites are accessible so I
> >> > > am forced
> >> to
> >> > > steal music instead. I'd like to go to court for that I think!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > JT
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > Damon Rose
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Here's another solution. Why don't we just all sue Apple?
> >> > > > Or mail
> >> them
> >> > > in our droves? All the faffing around we have to do to gain a
weeny
> >> > > bit
> >> > of
> >> > > access, whilst still giving these companies our money, really
really
> >> bugs
> >> > > the hell out of me.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>
> >
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