Hi John, I give up. Non-profit doesn't mean you can't make profit, it simply means that you must plough it back into the organisation, which to my knowledge, the RNIB do. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john coley Sent: Saturday 21 November 2009 13:06 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Steve, I'm referring to products available from other suppliers, not braille books. Check, for instance, the RNIB price on JFW. John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB > Hi John, > > Depends how you define profit. > > In the example that Iain gave, if a book costs more to produce than a > print > book, how are they making profit, by selling stuff at the same price? If > anything, they are making a loss. Do the math. Just because it costs the > same, doesn't mean a company or charity is making profit. > > All the best > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > john coley > Sent: Friday 20 November 2009 19:22 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB > > They shouldn't in that case claim to be a non profit organisation. The > fact > that you agree with it is immaterial. It is dishonest. > John. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:46 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB > > >> No, I am not shocked and I think it only right that RNIB should sell >> goods > >> at the same price as other suppliers. We should remember that Selling is >> only part of the work which RNIB does and even here there are many areas >> of subsidy. If we take books for example, a book is genrally sold by RNIB >> at the same price as the print version. However, the cost of producing >> that book is much greater than the print. If we were to be charged the >> same price for audio books as the general market price, I don't think >> many > >> of us would be buying too many of them. Personally, I think there is too >> much of the expecting to get things cheaper within the blind community. >> >> Iain >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:03 PM >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Subject: [access-uk] RNIB >> >>> >>> Hi everybody, I learnt something the other day that shocked me. It's >>> something that affects many of us. The RNIB as a charity is supposed to >>> be a non profit organisation. >>> When I was researching prices of a product recently I found it strange >>> that the RNIB charged the same as other suppliers. I took it up with a >>> friend at the RNIB, who confirmed to me that yes, they do make the same >>> profit as other suppliers, but given their status as a non profit >>> organisation they're not allowed to call it profit, so call it >>> contribution. >>> Given that any financial gain made on sale of something is profit >>> whatever they choose to call it it comes down to the same thing. >>> It would be interesting to know how officially they reconcile being a >>> non profit organisation with their operating as a profit making one, >>> that > >>> profit being made from those people they profess to be helping. >>> John. >>> >>> >>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> ** and in the Subject line type >>> ** unsubscribe >>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>> ** immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >>> ** or send a message, to >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >>> >>> >> >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq