[access-uk] Re: RNIB
- From: "Karl Proud" <karl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:23:10 -0000
I'll make one last attempt...
Being a not for profit organisation does not mean that every service or good
they sell has to be sold at cost price. The not for profit status; which is
not the same as charitable status; is to do with their whole business model.
They are not the same as Barclays, who have shareholders who would like
dividend payouts on their investment, even if they don't get any.
The RNIB is like every non profit making oorganisation I have come across in
that it makes money for the benefit of its members and the social projects
it works on. You can of course criticise what it does with the money but to
think that it is breaking some rule by profiting on goods and services is
just plain wrong.
It is what it does with any profits that matters here.
PS. No, I don't work for the RNIB.
Cheers all,
Karl
----- Original Message -----
From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB
They are a non profit organisation. They are not allowed to sell for profit.
That's it and all about it. It doesn't matter a damn if you think they
should be able to. Yes, they can make money from other sources, but not by
selling products for profit. Or do you think it's fine for them to do
whatever they want to get money?
John.
John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Keen" <gordonkeen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB
I am in no way a RNIB fan boy but where do you think they get the moneys
required to run their educational establishments and other services?
Some funds undoubtedly come from the state by way of grants but not all and
they have to raise the shortfall from other sources.
I can not say that I always agree with the way they spend the money they
raise, a lot of the tech projects are just a waste of time - who can forget
the ill fated electronic newspaper debacle, and I believe that they are too
top heavy in their management structure but that is another argument.
Regards
G
From glorious Devon, England
On 20 Nov 2009, at 19:52, john coley wrote:
> That's the point. They make a profit. As a non profit organisation they
> are not allowed to. You have just said so much yourself.
> John.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie"
> <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:33 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB
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>
>> They are a nonn-profit organisation in that they do not exist to make a
>> profit.
>>
>> Iain
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:21 PM
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB
>>
>>>
>>> They shouldn't in that case claim to be a non profit organisation. The
>>> fact that you agree with it is immaterial. It is dishonest.
>>> John.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie"
>>> <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:46 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB
>>>
>>>
>>>> No, I am not shocked and I think it only right that RNIB should sell
>>>> goods at the same price as other suppliers. We should remember that
>>>> Selling is only part of the work which RNIB does and even here there
>>>> are many areas of subsidy. If we take books for example, a book is
>>>> genrally sold by RNIB at the same price as the print version. However,
>>>> the cost of producing that book is much greater than the print. If we
>>>> were to be charged the same price for audio books as the general market
>>>> price, I don't think many of us would be buying too many of them.
>>>> Personally, I think there is too much of the expecting to get things
>>>> cheaper within the blind community.
>>>>
>>>> Iain
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:03 PM
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] RNIB
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everybody, I learnt something the other day that shocked me. It's
>>>>> something that affects many of us. The RNIB as a charity is supposed
>>>>> to be a non profit organisation.
>>>>> When I was researching prices of a product recently I found it strange
>>>>> that the RNIB charged the same as other suppliers. I took it up with a
>>>>> friend at the RNIB, who confirmed to me that yes, they do make the
>>>>> same profit as other suppliers, but given their status as a non profit
>>>>> organisation they're not allowed to call it profit, so call it
>>>>> contribution.
>>>>> Given that any financial gain made on sale of something is profit
>>>>> whatever they choose to call it it comes down to the same thing.
>>>>> It would be interesting to know how officially they reconcile being a
>>>>> non profit organisation with their operating as a profit making one,
>>>>> that profit being made from those people they profess to be helping.
>>>>> John.
>>>>>
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