[access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions

Ah thanks Peter. Thought there'd be some reason as to why it wouldn't be possible. Shame that! -


Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:35 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions


You can't do that as it is tied to jaws. and not a sapi version.
----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDY COLLINS" <Andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions


Hi Jackie - so, is it possible to use Eloquence [cos I have it with JFW] with NVDA? -

Andy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions


Hi Jim

No! I know another way around it if you have either K1000 or Open Book
installed on your machine.  If so, you can use Eloquence from either of
those packages, and it is perfectly legal as you have the software installed already. I know a friend who does this, so if you are interested, let me
know off list and I'll try to find out how it's done as I'm not that
familiar with NVDA as yet.


Kind Regards,

Jackie Cairns

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jim Williams
Sent: 12 March 2012 13:53
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions

Hi Jackie,

I did try NVDA for a few weeks before upgrading to JAWS 13 but I'm afraid the quality of the voices was not clear enough for me to continue, otherwise
it was pretty impressive for a freebe.

Somebody else mentioned with regard to NVDA and Elequence that Elequence
could be purchased by developers in blocks of 300. I don't know how much that would cost on an invidual basis but it would be interesting to know.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
Sent: 12 March 2012 13:10
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions

Hi Jim

Yes, I can verify what you are saying about using more keystrokes to perform
one task.  I do get ratty about the control and down arrow not working
though as I often like to skim through paragraphs and it just doesn't work
as well as it ever did.

Lots of people now recommend NVDA, and think it is fast coming up on the
rails of the Shark, so the sooner the better. I don't mind paying for my software, it isn't that I expect freebees. But there is paying for software
and a gravy train!


Kind Regards,

Jackie Cairns

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Williams
Sent: 12 March 2012 12:42
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions

Hi Jackie,

Yes, I accept there may be slight anomalies between versions of Office 2003 and the newer versions, but a difference in highlighting text so that it
reads the same as  before?

Your workaround re pressing left then right cursor to highlight text is
exactly the same when checking date fields in a table.Pressing the left
cursor to make sure I am at the start of the date produces silence but
pressing the right cursor once takes me to the end of the date field. So
its pressing left cursor once and then the right cursor once and sharkie
announces the second character in the field and left cursor and the first number in the date field is spoken So that's 3 keystrokes for the price of
one!

My other gripe about tables is really more pathetic but I have already blown
a fuse about it in other messages.

And as for your comment about the brown stuff, well, you know what they say:

"Where there's muck there's money"

Take care.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
Sent: 12 March 2012 12:22
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions

Hi Jim

I use Office 2003 myself with JAWS 13 and Windows 7 Home Premium. Like it or not, you will always find anomalies with every version of JAWS, it's how
they make their money!

Having said that, I have noticed small things myself in Word that tend to be a bit annoying, but which probably wouldn't happen if I updated to a later
version of Office.  For example, within Word, sometimes I can't jump
paragraphs using control and down arrow as JAWS won't speak them. Sometimes
it doesn't always read the word to the right of the cursor when going
through a sentence to check something using control and right arrow. But it
works if I go left then right again.  I know that sounds a bit daft, but
that's how it behaves.

When I copy text to the clipboard and paste it into a blank Word document,
instead of the text being there, I get the width and height of something
instead, something completely irrelevant to what was in the clipboard. I then have to re-select the text and paste it again. What's all that about?

In Outlook, JAWS sometimes just shuts up and I am left with the Braille
display to get me out of the shit, (pardon me).  But I don't blame JAWS
alone for all these little quirks, I feel it's likely that Microsoft and
Freedom Scientific combined are forcing people to constantly update their software, like we are all made of money and have to go rushing out when the
new version comes out for fear the old one will be discontinued or not
worked on for existing customers.

But I will only update when I am ready. All my Windows updates are present and correct, I am using Microsoft Security Essentials, and I can't do any
more than keep the machine ticking over and up-to-date.

Keep plodding on Jim.


Kind Regards,

Jackie Cairns

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Williams
Sent: 12 March 2012 10:53
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions

Hi Shea,

I have set all updates to automatic with both Windows and JAWS so I assume
that Office 2003 is ok and XP is definitely Service pack 3.

And as I mentioned in Steve Bingham's message, I received my copy of JAWS
from Blazie, not S&S.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shea Anker
Sent: 12 March 2012 00:26
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions

Hi,
I found that later versions of Jaws do not work as well with earlier
versions of Windows and Office, and the reverse is also true. If you have the latest service packs from Windows, and Office, that might help with Jaws
13.

Personally, I din't really like Jaws 13 and hope that the next version is a
bit better.

Shea

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Williams
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:02 PM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Moving from earlier JAWS versions

Hi List,

Apologies for cross posting of this message.

Using JAWS 13 and Office 2003

I recently upgraded from JAWS 9 to version 13 and have encountered a few
minor difficulties in the process.
Without going into great detail, has anyone found difficulty in highlighting large amounts of text in Word 2003 when using JAWS 13 that were not present
when using an earlier version of JAWS in combination with Word 2003.

I have posted more details of this highlighting problem on other lists but
have had  no meaningful responses.

Jim Williams

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