[access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:42:45 -0000
Hi Andy
Not sure about JAWS, they don't have it on their machine as they dislike it
intensely. I'll get the instructions from my friend who has NVDA and
Eloquence working on their machine as they have K1000 installed.
Kind Regards,
Jackie Cairns
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
ANDY COLLINS
Sent: 13 March 2012 15:38
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
Hi Jackie - so, is it possible to use Eloquence [cos I have it with JFW]
with NVDA? -
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
> Hi Jim
>
> No! I know another way around it if you have either K1000 or Open Book
> installed on your machine. If so, you can use Eloquence from either of
> those packages, and it is perfectly legal as you have the software
> installed
> already. I know a friend who does this, so if you are interested, let me
> know off list and I'll try to find out how it's done as I'm not that
> familiar with NVDA as yet.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Jim Williams
> Sent: 12 March 2012 13:53
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
>
> Hi Jackie,
>
> I did try NVDA for a few weeks before upgrading to JAWS 13 but I'm afraid
> the quality of the voices was not clear enough for me to continue,
> otherwise
> it was pretty impressive for a freebe.
>
> Somebody else mentioned with regard to NVDA and Elequence that Elequence
> could be purchased by developers in blocks of 300. I don't know how much
> that would cost on an invidual basis but it would be interesting to know.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
> Sent: 12 March 2012 13:10
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Yes, I can verify what you are saying about using more keystrokes to
> perform
> one task. I do get ratty about the control and down arrow not working
> though as I often like to skim through paragraphs and it just doesn't work
> as well as it ever did.
>
> Lots of people now recommend NVDA, and think it is fast coming up on the
> rails of the Shark, so the sooner the better. I don't mind paying for my
> software, it isn't that I expect freebees. But there is paying for
> software
> and a gravy train!
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Williams
> Sent: 12 March 2012 12:42
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
>
> Hi Jackie,
>
> Yes, I accept there may be slight anomalies between versions of Office
> 2003
> and the newer versions, but a difference in highlighting text so that it
> reads the same as before?
>
> Your workaround re pressing left then right cursor to highlight text is
> exactly the same when checking date fields in a table.Pressing the left
> cursor to make sure I am at the start of the date produces silence but
> pressing the right cursor once takes me to the end of the date field. So
> its pressing left cursor once and then the right cursor once and sharkie
> announces the second character in the field and left cursor and the first
> number in the date field is spoken So that's 3 keystrokes for the price
> of
> one!
>
> My other gripe about tables is really more pathetic but I have already
> blown
> a fuse about it in other messages.
>
> And as for your comment about the brown stuff, well, you know what they
> say:
>
> "Where there's muck there's money"
>
> Take care.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
> Sent: 12 March 2012 12:22
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I use Office 2003 myself with JAWS 13 and Windows 7 Home Premium. Like it
> or not, you will always find anomalies with every version of JAWS, it's
> how
> they make their money!
>
> Having said that, I have noticed small things myself in Word that tend to
> be
> a bit annoying, but which probably wouldn't happen if I updated to a later
> version of Office. For example, within Word, sometimes I can't jump
> paragraphs using control and down arrow as JAWS won't speak them.
> Sometimes
> it doesn't always read the word to the right of the cursor when going
> through a sentence to check something using control and right arrow. But
> it
> works if I go left then right again. I know that sounds a bit daft, but
> that's how it behaves.
>
> When I copy text to the clipboard and paste it into a blank Word document,
> instead of the text being there, I get the width and height of something
> instead, something completely irrelevant to what was in the clipboard. I
> then have to re-select the text and paste it again. What's all that
> about?
>
> In Outlook, JAWS sometimes just shuts up and I am left with the Braille
> display to get me out of the shit, (pardon me). But I don't blame JAWS
> alone for all these little quirks, I feel it's likely that Microsoft and
> Freedom Scientific combined are forcing people to constantly update their
> software, like we are all made of money and have to go rushing out when
> the
> new version comes out for fear the old one will be discontinued or not
> worked on for existing customers.
>
> But I will only update when I am ready. All my Windows updates are
> present
> and correct, I am using Microsoft Security Essentials, and I can't do any
> more than keep the machine ticking over and up-to-date.
>
> Keep plodding on Jim.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Williams
> Sent: 12 March 2012 10:53
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
>
> Hi Shea,
>
> I have set all updates to automatic with both Windows and JAWS so I assume
> that Office 2003 is ok and XP is definitely Service pack 3.
>
> And as I mentioned in Steve Bingham's message, I received my copy of JAWS
> from Blazie, not S&S.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shea Anker
> Sent: 12 March 2012 00:26
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
>
> Hi,
> I found that later versions of Jaws do not work as well with earlier
> versions of Windows and Office, and the reverse is also true. If you have
> the latest service packs from Windows, and Office, that might help with
> Jaws
> 13.
>
> Personally, I din't really like Jaws 13 and hope that the next version is
> a
> bit better.
>
> Shea
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Williams
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:02 PM
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Moving from earlier JAWS versions
>
> Hi List,
>
> Apologies for cross posting of this message.
>
> Using JAWS 13 and Office 2003
>
> I recently upgraded from JAWS 9 to version 13 and have encountered a few
> minor difficulties in the process.
> Without going into great detail, has anyone found difficulty in
> highlighting
> large amounts of text in Word 2003 when using JAWS 13 that were not
> present
> when using an earlier version of JAWS in combination with Word 2003.
>
> I have posted more details of this highlighting problem on other lists but
> have had no meaningful responses.
>
> Jim Williams
>
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