[access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
- From: "Jim Williams" <jwbr33694@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:52:51 -0000
Hi Jackie,
I did try NVDA for a few weeks before upgrading to JAWS 13
but I'm afraid the quality of the voices was not clear
enough for me to continue, otherwise it was pretty
impressive for a freebe.
Somebody else mentioned with regard to NVDA and Elequence
that Elequence could be purchased by developers in blocks of
300. I don't know how much that would cost on an invidual
basis but it would be interesting to know.
Jim
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
Sent: 12 March 2012 13:10
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
Hi Jim
Yes, I can verify what you are saying about using more
keystrokes to perform
one task. I do get ratty about the control and down arrow
not working
though as I often like to skim through paragraphs and it
just doesn't work
as well as it ever did.
Lots of people now recommend NVDA, and think it is fast
coming up on the
rails of the Shark, so the sooner the better. I don't mind
paying for my
software, it isn't that I expect freebees. But there is
paying for software
and a gravy train!
Kind Regards,
Jackie Cairns
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jim Williams
Sent: 12 March 2012 12:42
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
Hi Jackie,
Yes, I accept there may be slight anomalies between versions
of Office 2003
and the newer versions, but a difference in highlighting
text so that it
reads the same as before?
Your workaround re pressing left then right cursor to
highlight text is
exactly the same when checking date fields in a
table.Pressing the left
cursor to make sure I am at the start of the date produces
silence but
pressing the right cursor once takes me to the end of the
date field. So
its pressing left cursor once and then the right cursor once
and sharkie
announces the second character in the field and left cursor
and the first
number in the date field is spoken So that's 3 keystrokes
for the price of
one!
My other gripe about tables is really more pathetic but I
have already
blown a fuse about it in other messages.
And as for your comment about the brown stuff, well, you
know what they say:
"Where there's muck there's money"
Take care.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
Sent: 12 March 2012 12:22
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
Hi Jim
I use Office 2003 myself with JAWS 13 and Windows 7 Home
Premium. Like it
or not, you will always find anomalies with every version of
JAWS, it's how
they make their money!
Having said that, I have noticed small things myself in Word
that tend to be
a bit annoying, but which probably wouldn't happen if I
updated to a later
version of Office. For example, within Word, sometimes I
can't jump
paragraphs using control and down arrow as JAWS won't speak
them. Sometimes
it doesn't always read the word to the right of the cursor
when going
through a sentence to check something using control and
right arrow. But it
works if I go left then right again. I know that sounds a
bit daft, but
that's how it behaves.
When I copy text to the clipboard and paste it into a blank
Word document,
instead of the text being there, I get the width and height
of something
instead, something completely irrelevant to what was in the
clipboard. I
then have to re-select the text and paste it again. What's
all that about?
In Outlook, JAWS sometimes just shuts up and I am left with
the Braille
display to get me out of the shit, (pardon me). But I don't
blame JAWS
alone for all these little quirks, I feel it's likely that
Microsoft and
Freedom Scientific combined are forcing people to constantly
update their
software, like we are all made of money and have to go
rushing out when the
new version comes out for fear the old one will be
discontinued or not
worked on for existing customers.
But I will only update when I am ready. All my Windows
updates are present
and correct, I am using Microsoft Security Essentials, and I
can't do any
more than keep the machine ticking over and up-to-date.
Keep plodding on Jim.
Kind Regards,
Jackie Cairns
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Williams
Sent: 12 March 2012 10:53
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
Hi Shea,
I have set all updates to automatic with both Windows and
JAWS so I assume
that Office 2003 is ok and XP is definitely Service pack 3.
And as I mentioned in Steve Bingham's message, I received my
copy of JAWS
from Blazie, not S&S.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shea Anker
Sent: 12 March 2012 00:26
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving from earlier JAWS versions
Hi,
I found that later versions of Jaws do not work as well with
earlier
versions of Windows and Office, and the reverse is also
true. If you have
the latest service packs from Windows, and Office, that
might help with Jaws
13.
Personally, I din't really like Jaws 13 and hope that the
next version is a
bit better.
Shea
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Williams
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:02 PM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Moving from earlier JAWS versions
Hi List,
Apologies for cross posting of this message.
Using JAWS 13 and Office 2003
I recently upgraded from JAWS 9 to version 13 and have
encountered a few
minor difficulties in the process.
Without going into great detail, has anyone found difficulty
in highlighting
large amounts of text in Word 2003 when using JAWS 13 that
were not present
when using an earlier version of JAWS in combination with
Word 2003.
I have posted more details of this highlighting problem on
other lists but
have had no meaningful responses.
Jim Williams
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