Hi Barry, Yes, I completely agree with this philosophy, but regardless, I have always tried my best to keep prices on a level playing field with those in the US. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dj Paddy Sent: Sunday 3 February 2008 23:48 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones Steve, What about a price plan that allowd the Power user to opt out of uneeded tech support unless the product is faulty? The power-user could get two free phone calls and have to pay after that unless the product is faulty. Similar to Microsofts home-user telephone support? Dj Paddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones > Hi Barry, > > Well, to an extent, I agree with George, in that technical support on > these > products has to be taken into consideration. However, the problem with > that > is that those who don't need or want technical support, have to pay for > it, > whether they do want it or not. On the other hand, if people don't get > tech > support for free when they want it, then there is merry hell to pay on > that > side too. So it is a difficult balancing act, but I still believe that > things are overpriced in the UK. You only have to compare the price of > JAWS > in the US for example, to JAWS in Europe. > > Anyway, I'll say no more on the subject, otherwise I really will be honest > <Smile>. > > All the best > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > Dj Paddy > Sent: Sunday 3 February 2008 14:35 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones > > Steve, and all access tech vendors/retailers. > > I realise it's a closely guarded secret but seriously how much is too much > with this stuff. > > How far can the arm be put in? > > Are people getting their arms in as much as we believe? > > Sorry to pick on yourself mate but you're a very public figure and often > as > not will be honest if if it's not what people want to hear. > > Will the endless debates on email lists ever change this high-way robbery > that makes products only available to people who, > > A. Con the system at some level. > > BE. Get some establishment to pay for a product on their behalf, which > often involves some quick talking and quick wittedness on the users > behalf. > > C. Long hard saving, which not that many people seem to do anymore in our > credit debt riddled society. > > This stuff is specialised and I get that, I think that anyone who's been > knocking about with this stuff for a while will admit it will cost more. > > It's rubbish and unfair but there is allot more research and development, > (mostly on the software side than hardware), that goes on. > > I'd just once like for this stuff to come up and some change to be > executed > and something to come out of our debates on mailing lists rather than just > he usual, we're being ripped off and those pesky Americans are getting the > good deal again. > > Much of which I agree with btw. > > One suggestion I'd have for change is the same as they have in Canada. > > Did you know you can actually get updated adaptive tech gear every couple > of > years? > > We're talking in your home stuff, stuff that you justify that helps you > live > independently. > > I don't want to get into the debate of what we have here that we'd > probably > not wish to do without to have our tech stuff bought for us because that's > more into the VI Gen area. > > Any thoughts? > > Dj Paddy > > > > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:15 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones > > >> Hi Andy, >> >> Thanks for the MobileBee link, I hadn't heard of them. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> Behalf Of Andy Collins >> Sent: Sunday 3 February 2008 11:07 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones >> >> Steve - when I looked on expansys it was £379. It can be got for >> £330.85 at >> >> www.mobilebee.co.uk >> >> and that includes VAT. I've found it in the US for Under $500, so >> cheaper still! - >> >> Andy >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:09 AM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones >> >> >> | Hi, >> | >> | You can certainly find the phone cheaper. I have seen it at 349 >> | pounds >> at >> | http://www.expansys.com. >> | >> | All the best >> | >> | Steve >> | >> | -----Original Message----- >> | From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> | Behalf >> Of >> | Dean Wilcox >> | Sent: Saturday 2 February 2008 21:39 >> | To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones >> | >> | The price does seem high, take this example. You buy the software >> | for £1080, the phone for £400 and Talks for £150 it would cost >> | £1630. The package from Sight And Sound, inc 5 percent VAT would be >> | £182.98. Doing >> it >> | that way would be a saving of over £180 and who knows, you might >> | even >> find >> | the phone cheaper. >> | >> | >> | At 20:42 02/02/2008, you wrote: >> | >an interesting presentation and an intention to continue to develop >> | >the product for the future. >> | >Pity that the u k price seems over inflated though! >> | > >> | >Cheers >> | > >> | >Paul >> | > >> | >paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> | >----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" >> | ><steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> | >To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> | >Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 5:51 PM >> | >Subject: [access-uk] More on KNFB reader for phones >> | > >> | > >> | >>Hi folks, >> | >> >> | >>Take a look, or should I say a listen, to this file. 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