[access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones

Hi DJ,

You've only got to look at the balance sheets for these
companies (available from Companies House for a small fee)
to see that very few are making anything like the profits
made by what you might call "normal business".

If you want to see real rip-offs, just look at the utility
companies in the U.K. and the banks.

A few years ago there was a great hoo ha about the same
subject, so certain charities decided they would start a
sales arm and show the commercial rip-off merchants up for
the money-grabbing thieves they thought we all are.

Well they very soon discovered that a hidden element called
"customer support" crawled out of the woodwork, and whether
it was good or bad support that was given, it still cost
money. Then warranties appeared, and surprise, surprise,
they found that few manufacturers' warranties are worth a
twopenny lollipop.

Just ask our journalist friend, Jackie Cairns, what she has
discovered in comparing the two forms of sales and
marketing.  You'll need to be either deaf or thick skinned
when the reply comes, and will probably learn a few terms
that are seldom heard in Ireland, never mind the rest of the
world. (smile)

George.

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dj Paddy
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:35 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones

Steve, and all access tech vendors/retailers.

I realise it's a closely guarded secret but seriously how
much is too much 
with this stuff.

How far can the arm be put in?

Are people getting their arms in as much as we believe?

Sorry to pick on yourself mate but you're a very public
figure and often as 
not will be honest if if it's not what people want to hear.

Will the endless debates on email lists ever change this
high-way robbery 
that makes products only available to people who,

A.  Con the system at some level.

BE.  Get some establishment to pay for a product on their
behalf, which 
often involves some quick talking and quick wittedness on
the users behalf.

C.  Long hard saving, which not that many people seem to do
anymore in our 
credit debt riddled society.

This stuff is specialised and I get that, I think that
anyone who's been 
knocking about with this stuff for a while will admit it
will cost more.

It's rubbish and unfair but there is allot more research and
development, 
(mostly on the software side than hardware), that goes on.

I'd just once like for this stuff to come up and some change
to be executed 
and something to come out of our debates on mailing lists
rather than just 
he usual, we're being ripped off and those pesky Americans
are getting the 
good deal again.

Much of which I agree with btw.

One suggestion I'd have for change is the same as they have
in Canada.

Did you know you can actually get updated adaptive tech gear
every couple of 
years?

We're talking in your home stuff, stuff that you justify
that helps you live 
independently.

I don't want to get into the debate of what we have here
that we'd probably 
not wish to do without to have our tech stuff bought for us
because that's 
more into the VI Gen area.

Any thoughts?

Dj Paddy



From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:15 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones


> Hi Andy,
>
> Thanks for the MobileBee link, I hadn't heard of them.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
> Of
> Andy Collins
> Sent: Sunday 3 February 2008 11:07
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
>
> Steve - when I looked on expansys it was £379. It can be
got for £330.85 
> at
>
> www.mobilebee.co.uk
>
> and that includes VAT. I've found it in the US for Under
$500, so cheaper
> still! -
>
> Andy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:09 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
>
>
> | Hi,
> |
> | You can certainly find the phone cheaper.  I have seen
it at 349 pounds 
> at
> | http://www.expansys.com.
> |
> | All the best
> |
> | Steve
> |
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> | Dean Wilcox
> | Sent: Saturday 2 February 2008 21:39
> | To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
> |
> | The price does seem high, take this example.  You buy
the software for
> | £1080, the phone for £400 and Talks for £150 it would
cost £1630.  The
> | package from Sight And Sound, inc 5 percent VAT would be
£182.98.  Doing
> it
> | that way would be a saving of over £180 and who knows,
you might even 
> find
> | the phone cheaper.
> |
> |
> | At 20:42 02/02/2008, you wrote:
> | >an interesting presentation and an intention to
continue to develop the
> | >product for the future.
> | >Pity that the u k price seems over inflated though!
> | >
> | >Cheers
> | >
> | >Paul
> | >
> | >paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> | >----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt"
<steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | >To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | >Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 5:51 PM
> | >Subject: [access-uk] More on KNFB reader for phones
> | >
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