[access-uk] Re: MP3'S FROM PLAY.COM
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:31:38 -0000
Hi Ibrahim,
Yes, but you don't even need to convert them. M4A files will play on most
decent MP3 players. My Nokia N82 plays albums from iTunes that are not
locked.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: Sunday 25 January 2009 19:38
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: MP3'S FROM PLAY.COM
Hi.
Yeah I see, I don't use ITunes myself but I heard they were doing DRM free
stuff so I'm guessing that the downloads from their plus store aren't locked
down, thus can be converted.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:28 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: MP3'S FROM PLAY.COM
> Hi Ibrahim,
>
> They don't do any MP3 stuff, it is in M4A when you buy it, but iTunes
> itself
> will convert it to MP3 if you want.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Ibrahim Gucukoglu
> Sent: Sunday 25 January 2009 17:30
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MP3'S FROM PLAY.COM
>
> Hi Steve.
>
> I take it the 256K stuff what you call ITunes plus is the mp3 content they
> do.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:25 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MP3'S FROM PLAY.COM
>
>
>> Hi Isaac,
>>
>> Even that is not quite correct. If you buy regular DRM stuff from
>> iTunes,
>> then it is 128 as you say. But if you buy iTunes plus stuff, then it is
>> 256
>> at the very least.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Isaac Porat
>> Sent: Sunday 25 January 2009 12:26
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MP3'S FROM PLAY.COM
>>
>> Hi Ibrahim and all
>>
>> I did some searching on the Apple store to find the situation...
>>
>> I got the impression that apple sell their music in lossless I was
>> wrong.
>> As far as I can make apple sell their music in the AAC format which is
>> lossy
>> in 128 kbps probably as you say.
>> So it is lossy not lossless.
>>
>> If you use iTunes you can ripp (if you wish) your CD to Apple lossless
>> which means that the music is exactly as the original. There are other
>> lossless formats the most well known and open source is FLAC. The
>> advantage
>> of this formats is exact replica of the original the disadvantage is much
>> bigger file sizes. Typically lossless is 50% of the original where MP3
>> depending on the quality is 20% of the original.
>>
>> I agree with you; I would buy MP3 to start with, it is the most supported
>> format and any conversion of lossless format to another one leads to
>> degradation. There seems to be an understanding that a variable bit rate
>> VBr between 192 and 320 is practically lossless for most ears so 256 and
>> 320
>> constant bit rate are excellent.
>>
>> It is a technical fact that converting from a lossy to another lossy one
>> (regardless of the bit rate used) is reducing quality because as I said,
>> each format shaves a bit of the sound to suit their acoustic model of the
>> ear; if you find it acceptable to your ear that is all that matters.
>>
>> Finally on the question of lossless and Lossy formats:
>>
>> A Wav file is uncompressed format which is exact replica of the original
>> CD.
>>
>> FLAC, Apple lossless, MonkeyAudio are all compressed lossless.
>>
>> MP3, WMA, OGG and AAC are all compressed lossy.
>>
>> I suspect that as the internet speed goes up lossless format will become
>> the
>> norm as it is exact replica of the original CD and there is no
>> compromise.
>>
>> Regards
>> Isaac
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Ibrahim Gucukoglu
>> Sent: 25 January 2009 06:41
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MP3'S FROM PLAY.COM
>>
>> Hi Isaac.
>>
>> ITunes recordings are actually encoded in 128K lossless. It doesn't mean
>> the tracks are lossless, its just the name of the encoding type. To be
>> honest, having heard tracks I've downloaded from Napster and ITunes,
>> you'll
>> get roughly the same quality. As for converting napster to mp3 tracks,
>> well
>> if you buy them from Napster then you get mp3 anyway at 256K, but if your
>> converting them you can set sound taxi to encode at 256K, so when it
>> plays
>> through my high end speakers I don't notice any degradation in quality
>> and
>> I'd be more than happy to send you a sample showing this. Sound Taxi
>> converts digitally so its conversion process aught to be lossless.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Isaac Porat" <isaac@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:52 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MP3'S FROM PLAY.COM
>>
>>
>>> Hello Carol
>>>
>>> First with play.com you can download files again if you loose them see:
>>> http://www.play.com/Music/MP3-Download/6-/Help.html?page=playdigitalfaq
>>>
>>> The MP3 format is most common meaning that it is supported by all
>>> software
>>> and hardware players.
>>> It is a lossy format meaning that you loose some quality during the
>>> conversion process ; largely depending on the bit rate. Of course price
>>> can
>>> be an issue but I personally would not consider a file encoded in less
>>> than
>>> 196 Kbps; play.com do them in 196 - 320 kbps
>>>
>>> The M4A format offered by apple is lossless (also called Apple lossless)
>>> meaning that it is exactly like the original which is the best (FLAK is
>>> another lossless format and there are others).
>>>
>>> Converting a file in M4A to MP3 or WMA is feasible, but as these are
>>> lossy
>>> formats, you will loose something but in practice at about 256Kbps
>>> chances
>>> are that you will not notice any difference.
>>>
>>> Finally converting from one lossy format such as WMA to another such as
>>> MP3
>>> is bad news as you loose quality further; this is because each format
>>> uses
>>
>>> a
>>> different acoustic model (related to the sensitivity of the ear to
>>> different
>>> sounds) so put simply each format removes their own bit off the sound.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Steve Nutt
>>> Sent: 24 January 2009 19:15
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MP3'S FROM PLAY.COM
>>>
>>> Hi Carol,
>>>
>>> If you buy from Play, you can't download again if you lose them, so back
>>> them up.
>>>
>>> If you buy from iTunes, then you can always re-download, but they are
>>> not
>>> MP3 files, but higher quality. They use Flac files which are M4A.
>>> These
>>> can be played with Winamp or Windows Media Player, if you download the
>>> right
>>> plugin for Windows Media Player.
>>>
>>> There are other companies like 7DigitalMedia
>>> http://www.7digitalmedia.com
>>> that sell them in MP3 format, and you can re-download from them too.
>>>
>>> Most stores sell in MP3 or protected WMA formats. Apple sell in M4A and
>>> M4V
>>> for video. These can be converted to MP3 if they are not DRM-protected.
>>> Apple is removing DRM from their stuff, so I am beginning to like
>>> iTunes.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Carol Pearson
>>> Sent: Saturday 24 January 2009 18:11
>>> To: Access UK Mailing List
>>> Subject: [access-uk] MP3'S FROM PLAY.COM
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of switching to purchasing MP3's instead of CD's and so
>>> here
>>> are some questions ...
>>>
>>> As always, I apologise that I didn't follow the thread when it was last
>>> discussed. Anyway, here are my questions:
>>>
>>> Are MP3's available in various sampling rates etc., and can you buy
>>> individual tracks from CD's, or do you have to buy the whole CD where a
>>> CD
>>> is listed rather than a single track? Are they all .WAV format and, if
>>> you
>>> lose them, can you get them again without charge?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carol
>>> carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
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