[access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for cassette tapes (I feel no pain)
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:00:11 +0100
I tend to agree with Steve on this. Besides I think it's a pretty lame
excuse for publishers only releasing abridged books on audio cassette -
that's why I much prefer the digital files from the likes of Audible.com
- you can get unabridged versions of books often for same/less than you
can buy abridged cassette.
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 22 June 2005 16:35
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for
cassette tapes (I feel no pain)
Hi Tony,
I am not even sure I accept this fully. With Daisy CD players now, you
can speed up the audio considerably, and if you are used to fast speech
as I am, you can read books very quickly, even audio books.
All the best
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Tony Cretney
Sent: 22 June 2005 10:43
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for
cassette tapes (I feel no pain)
I think the sad truth is that most people's ear cannot take in
information as fast as it can be taken in by a person who is reading the
material from the printed page. Even I with my limited vision am able
to read faster from the printed page with Low Visual Aids than I can
when listening to a book on tape or on C.D. This means that many books
in their entirety would take several hours or days to read through,
whereas they can be read in considerably less time by a sighted person
reading them in what is for them the way. Hence the books have to be
abridged when put out in audio format.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:04 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for
cassette tapes (I feel no pain)
Ah yes Kevin, but those unabridged books go very largely to public
libraries. Of course you can buy them from the sources you mention, but
most people find them prohibitively exspensive.
Most books you will find in Waterstones or whereever are abridged, and,
as I've said before, the CD versions are often more abridged than the
cassette ones! Something to be said for cassettes after all? Well, if
MP3 were to be used more then there would be no need for that. Ray
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----- Original Message -----
From: "kevin and emma" <kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:18 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for
cassette tapes (I feel no pain)
> hi, not sure where you got the idea audiobooks on tape are all
> abridged!
> i'm
> sure:
> http://www.isis-publishing.co.uk
> and
> http://www.audiobookcollection.comm
> might disagree! smile
> kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list
> contact me on kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Justin R" <mypc128@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:45 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for
> cassette
> tapes (I feel no pain)
>
>
>> I quite agree actually. I find the Victor reader, as an example, not
>> at
> all
>> portable and thus, can't take it on holiday with me. That's the to
>> say,
> I'm
>> not really interested in audio books on cassettes, they are all
>> abridged, aren't they? I'd rather have the book in it's entirety.
>> Plus, Cassettes can be fiddly. Lets not forget, when one side
>> finishes, you've got a long gap inbetween so, you have to forward the
>> tape to the end to change sides.
>> I think, in this day and age, the cassette is over really. Now that
we
> have
>> DAISY format CD's. I'd like to see this format used for audio books
> across
>> the board.
>>
>> Justin
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kevin Cussick" <mm0tmg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:12 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for
> cassette
>> tapes (I feel no pain)
>>
>>
>> > Yes,
>> >
>> > It's the old problem when a bit of kit gets designed for blind
>> > users I think the folks that design it seem to think we have Cole
>> > bags as pockets and also I think a bit of kit should look good as
>> > well just because I am blind I don't want a bit of kit that looks
>> > crap I have bought a bit of kit which looks really crap but it
>> > works well just my thoughts.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> > Behalf
>> > Of kevin and emma
>> > Sent: 19 June 2005 14:09
>> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for
>> > cassette tapes (I feel no pain)
>> >
>> >
>> > maybe the acceptance or lack of it, has been to do with size and
>> > portability? when the RNIB's talking book service went digital and
>> > sent out the victor reader player, it didn't exactly fit in your
>> > pocket! mainstream
>> > discmans did and still do. you can cram such equipment full of all
>> > sorts of
>> > useful features like the markers etc, but size and portability for
>> > some is
>> > far more important. personally, the markers save so much time and
>> > messing
>> > about, i wouldn't be without such a feature!
>> > kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list
>> > contact me on kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:54 AM
>> > Subject: [access-uk] BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for
>> > cassette
>> > tapes (I feel no pain)
>> >
>> >
>> > Interesting post Colin, not least the reflections on the by-gone
>> > days of real time copying and the record industry's anxst over life
>> > copying in the
>> > slow lane, so to speak. Sure they'd have those days back again if
>> > only they
>> > could!
>> >
>> > What perplexes me at times is how slow many of the VI community are
>> > in accepting the benefits of digital media, and particularly DAISY
>> > and DAISY players, especially as you can get these for free on
>> > loan. One bloke I know
>> > moaned about the fact that his JAWS manuals didn't come on
cassette,
>> > but on
>> > CD. He went out and bought a bog standard walkman-type CD player
to
>> > play
>> > them on, in spite of the fact I'd told him about the DAISY players'
>> > availability through the Talking Book arrangements with Local
>> > Authorities.
>> > The DAISY format addresses all the criticisms of the lack of ease
>> > about
>> > picking up where you left off, and you can mark areas of disks you
are
>> > interested in, and just as easily remove the marks afterwards.
>> >
>> > Then there are still those who tell me how good it is that
>> > cassettes for magazines etc can be recycled and therefore how cost
>> > effective they still
>> > are. Really? How many of you have gone through the process of
bulk
>> > erasing
>> > cassettes, and the time that adds to recycling hundreds of the damn
>> > things?
>> > Not to mention they sometimes, not very often though, snarl up.
You
>> > can buy
>> > blank CDs in bulk for 10-15p each and it matters not that they
aren't
>> > re-usable. Add to that the possibility of distributing in MP3 or
>> > other
>> > format, and the time savings in duplication are obvious.
Eventually
>> > all
>> > this duplication should become a thing of the past when we get an
>> > easy to
>> > use internet player, rather like a radio -cassette player to use.
Oh
>> > yes, I
>> > knew the cassette would have to appear again somehow. Thank
goodness
>> > it is
>> > only in the form of a metaphor for the interface to operate the
>> > superior new
>> > digital players.
>> >
>> > For those who have missed the original Colin posted, go to:
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4099904.stm
>> >
>> > Ray
>> >
>> > Personal emails: Email me at
>> > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>> >
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