A suo tempo li dumpavo invece (con il PC) ma non ricordo con quale utility.
Riguardando alcune immagini che ho preservato negli anni noto, ed è come vi
dicevo, che nessuna ha formato 720kb.
E sono TUTTE sprotette ;)
Non ne fai uno con Floppy Image perché il format dell’ST non è standard ma
CUSTOM, come ricordavo bene io che l’ho usato per anni.
Ci sono immagini da 750kb, 820k,950kb, etc.
Nessuna è standard, e queste che ho controllato sono di compilation di pirati
per cui sono super sprotette ;)
Solo che per motivi di spazio usavano sempre formattazioni CUSTOM perché l’ST
come standard era 1MB fin dai primi tempi ed aveva più bisogno di altre
macchine di contenere il maggior spazio possibile in un singolo floppy.
L’immagine media è un 800k, simili MGT, come vi dicevo.
Con ST formatti a 11 settori per traccia fino ad 83 tracce: le protezioni lo
usavano alla grande, ma chiunque lo poteva fare con programmi ufficiali per la
macchina.
Per fare le immagini non consigliano assolutamente Floppy Image (non andrebbe)
ma questi progs:
Making Disk Images from ST Original Floppies
This section try to answer the question: I have Atari floppies that I want to
use with my favorite emulator...
* Making ST Disk Images (Only on a PC):
To make ST images on a Windows system the best solution is to use the
<http://atari.8bitchip.info/floimgd.php> Floppy Imaging & File transfer
(FloImg) program from P. Putnik.Historical programs
<http://info-coach.fr/atari/programs/imaging/makedisk_v15.zip> Makedisk (DOS),
<http://info-coach.fr/atari/programs/imaging/imgbuild.zip> imgbuild (DOS),
<http://info-coach.fr/atari/programs/imaging/wfdcopy-1.03.zip> wfdcopy (Windows
95/98 you will have problem on XP/7).
* Making MSA Images (On PC and Atari ST):
To make MSA images on a Windows system the best solution is to use the
<http://atari.8bitchip.info/floimgd.php> Floppy Imaging & File transfer
(FloImg) program from P. Putnik. On Atari I have made the tests with
<http://info-coach.fr/atari/programs/imaging/MSA2_3.PRG> MSA II - V2.3. The
process is straightforward : start the program specify the name and directory
for the image, indicate if you want the file to be compressed or not and click
the "Disk -> File" button ... and you are done. You should use compressed mode
to get smaller disk images.
* Making DIM Disk Image (On Atari ST):
First you need the <http://info-coach.fr/atari/programs/disk/fcopypro.zip>
FastCopy Pro version (version "no version", or
<http://info-coach.fr/atari/programs/disk/fcopypro.zip> 1.0 or 1.2 did work for
me). Important if you are using the version "without version" number you must
first select the "all" option from the get sectors choice, in V1.0 and 1.2 this
choice is unavailable (always pre-selected to all). After that you need to
click on the "image copy" button, then select the "read" button and enter the
name of the file you want to create... This file should be directly readable by
the emulators.
* Making STT Disk Images (On PC or Atari ST):
To make STT images on a Windows system the best solution is to use the
<http://atari.8bitchip.info/floimgd.php> Floppy Imaging & File transfer
(FloImg) program from P. Putnik. On Atari use the
<http://ataristeven.t15.org/Steem.htm> STeem Disk Imager that comes with STeem
itself. Instructions are provided in the disk image howto.txt file. The STT
image can be mounted by <http://steem.atari.st/> STeem only.
* Making STX Disk Images of copy protected disk (On Atari ST):
Instruction is provided with the <http://pasti.fxatari.com/> Pasti imaging
program.
* Making IPF Disk Images (By SPS people only):
At this time only SPS people can create IPF files.
* Making CTR Disk images (different platforms):
Instruction is provided with the <http://www.kryoflux.com/?page=download>
Kryoflux software
* Making RAW Disk images (different platforms):
Instruction is provided with the <http://www.kryoflux.com/?page=download>
Kryoflux software
* Making SCP Disk images (different platforms):
Instruction is provided with the
<http://www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=SCP> SCP imaging program.
Idem per ricreare i floppy dalle immagini consigliano gli stessi progs:
Making ST Floppies from Disk Image files
This section try to answer the question: I have some interesting disk images
and I would like to create a FD to run on my real Atari...
* Making a floppy disk from a ST image (Only on PC):
On a Windows system the best solution is to use the
<http://atari.8bitchip.info/floimgd.php> Floppy Imaging & File transfer
(FloImg) program from P. Putnik to write ST images on an actual FD. Historical
programs <http://info-coach.fr/atari/programs/imaging/makedisk_v15.zip>
makedisk (DOS), or <http://www.8hz.com/stdisk/> ST Disk (DOS), or
<http://info-coach.fr/atari/programs/imaging/wfdcopy-1.03.zip> wfdcopy (Windows
95/98 you will have problem on Windows XP / 7 / 8).
* Making a floppy disk from a MSA image (On PC or Atari ST):
On a Windows system the best solution is to use the
<http://atari.8bitchip.info/floimgd.php> Floppy Imaging & File transfer
(FloImg) program from P. Putnik to write ST images on an actual FD. I have made
the tests with <http://info-coach.fr/atari/programs/imaging/MSA2_3.PRG> MSA II
- V2.3. The process is straightforward : start the program specify the name and
directory of the image, click the "File -> Disk" button ... and you should have
your disk ready.
* Making a floppy disk from a DIM image (On Atari ST):
First you need the <http://info-coach.fr/atari/programs/disk/fcopypro.zip>
FastCopy Pro version (version "no version", or
<http://info-coach.fr/atari/programs/disk/fcopypro.zip> 1.0 or 1.2). you need
to click on the "image copy" button, then select the "Restore" button and enter
the name of the image file...
* Making a floppy disk from a STT image (on PC or Atari ST):
This is only possible if no protection or specific protections have been used.
Your best choice is to use the <http://atari.8bitchip.info/floimgd.php> Floppy
Imaging & File transfer (FloImg) program from P. Putnik. In some cases (when no
protection are used) it is possible to first convert the STT image to an ST or
MSA image using the <http://msaconverter.free.fr/index.html> MSA converter
program, and from this converted image use one of the procedure described above.
* Making a floppy disk from a STX image:
It is not possible to
<http://info-coach.fr/atari/software/preservation.php#copy_protected_disk>
create a protected disk from an STX image. The main reason is that protected
disk uses specific data that cannot be written directly by the Atari FD
controller.
* Making a floppy disk from a IPF / CTR / RAW image:
Described in the <http://kryoflux.com/> KryoFlux Project and the
<http://info-coach.fr/atari/hardware/devices/kryoflux.php> KryoFlux Board
* Making a floppy disk from a SCP image:
Described in the <http://www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=SCP> SCP project.
Per cui x chi deve fare dei DUMP usi un PC con floppy e controller integrati e
programmi appositi come qui sopra indicato.
SamDisk in DSK li fa tranquillamente ma poi, come dice Max, non si sa come
utilizzarli.
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Il giorno 4 marzo 2017 11:05, Simone Voltolini <simone.voltolini@xxxxxx
<mailto:simone.voltolini@xxxxxx> > ha scritto:
Ad ogni modo mi hai fatto incuriosire ed appena passo da casa mi prendo su
alcuni floppy protetti (che ancora ho) e li testo.
Sì ma quelli non potrai assolutamente copiarli con Floppy Image.
Solo quelli non protetti, da 360KB/720KB.
Però probabilmente quelli riesci a farli con FloImg (in floppy drive non-USB) o
SAMdisk.
Solo che poi... come li testi? :-)
Max
