Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, It's interesting to see the kinds of issues other Havurahs are struggling with or thinking about Cheryl In a message dated 12/8/2002 8:56:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, mail-havurah@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > From: Steve Freides <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: National Havurah Committee Mailing List <mail-havurah@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [MAIL-HAVURAH:4437] Life Cycle Events Without Clergy? > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:18:08 EST > > If one of the children in our recently-started havura wants to have a > Bar or Bat Mitzvah, is that something we can 'legally', Jewish or > otherwise, do? I have enough of a background that, with a bit of work > on my part, I could teach a child what he needs to know in terms of > reading Hebrew, etc., but does one need a rabbi to have it be considered > official in some way? Is a Bar/Bat Mitzvah really anything other than > an of-age person reading Torah for the first time and, in that way, > different from, say, a wedding, which is a ceremony with legal > implications, both Jewish and otherwise? > > We are years away from this as the oldest child in our Havura is only 10 > but the subject has already come up. None of our members participates > in a synagogue. > > Thanks in advance. > > -S- > > > Cheryl B. Levine, Psy.D. Clinical and Consulting Psychologist Positive Perspectives, Inc. 680 E. Dayton Yellow Springs Road Fairborn, OH 45324 (937) 390-3800 Behavioral Science Coordinator "Mad River Family Practice: Ohio State University Rural Program" 4879 US Route 68 South West Liberty, OH 43311 (937) 465-0080 And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time. --T.S. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:18:08 EST If one of the children in our recently-started havura wants to have a Bar or Bat Mitzvah, is that something we can 'legally', Jewish or otherwise, do? I have enough of a background that, with a bit of work on my part, I could teach a child what he needs to know in terms of reading Hebrew, etc., but does one need a rabbi to have it be considered official in some way? Is a Bar/Bat Mitzvah really anything other than an of-age person reading Torah for the first time and, in that way, different from, say, a wedding, which is a ceremony with legal implications, both Jewish and otherwise? We are years away from this as the oldest child in our Havura is only 10 but the subject has already come up. None of our members participates in a synagogue. Thanks in advance. -S- _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of MAIL-HAVURAH Digest 938 ****************************** ---------------------- mail-havurah@xxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ MyJewishLearning.com, The Personal Gateway to Jewish Exploration Officially launches: http://MyJewishLearning.com/index.htm?source=shamash ---------------------- mail-havurah@xxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------=