Thank You John, for your thorough description on the various requirements
that will need to be addressed, IF Improvements can be made at the
Hannaford Crosswalk for all entities involved. Our Committee is most
certainly bringing safety issues to the attention and forefront of all the
organizations involved.
In the meantime, with Winter making its presence known, we can only hope
and pray that no one is struck, injured or fatally injured while crossing
at that location.
Pedestrians and Drivers BOTH need to pay Attention all the time, but more
so in Winter.
Dennis Marrotte
On Dec 29, 2017 6:53 PM, "John Brooking" <johnbrooking4@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for the reply, Eric. I have a few followups:
1. I also echo others' question of what a "pedestrian blackout" sign
is.
2. On what specifically is based the "general rule" you mention? Just
general professional opinion, or a more specific citable source such as a
DOT policy, national guideline document like AASHTO, etc.?
3. Imagine for the sake of argument we could justify it with ped
counts, then what would be the process to getting it done? I guess it would
require DOT collaboration, being Route 25. Timeframe? Funding possibility?
*Group*: I reached out to my friend Paul Niehoff at PACTS
<http://www.pactsplan.org/> (regional transportation planning
organization) to ask if they had any pedestrian count data for Westbrook,
but alas, they do not. We could consider doing our own counts. That effort
could get pretty big if we wanted to extend it to multiple locations, but
if we restrict it to that one location, it might be do-able. It would be
useful whether or not it ultimately makes a difference to that signal
choice. Besides the raw number, we might see some more interesting behavior
as well. Ratio of close calls, maybe? There seems to be a lot of
information about how to do them
<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab&ei=3M5GWty8IozVmwHn9oYY&q=how+to+do+a+pedestrian+count&oq=how+to+do+a+pedestrian+count&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0.2733.2733.0.3034.1.1.0.0.0.0.125.125.0j1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.123....0.c4QWWw8Oe7s>
on the Interwebz.
- John
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Carson Wood <cwood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Sounds like a catch 22.
*From:* wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
Behalf Of *Clarrage, Katherine C.
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 8:56 AM
*To:* wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [wsmac] Re: Hannaford/WCD Crosswalk Request
Wow…things you just never know (why) till you ask. Eric, can you please
describe what the “blackout sign” is to which you speak. Must admit, it’s
frustrating to be able to ID an “accident waiting to happen” and not be
able to do anything about it…the fact Hannaford may not have HIGH
pedestrian travel at that crossing probably makes it all the more
vulnerable for those who do cross since drivers aren’t used to seeing
“herds of pedestrians” crossing there. :/ Kathy
Kathy Clarrage
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
*From:* wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
Behalf Of *Eric Dudley
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 7:23 AM
*To:* wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [wsmac] Re: Hannaford/WCD Crosswalk Request
John,
William Clarke Drive is classified as "Other Principle Arterial". As
such, an exclusive pedestrian phase is not allowed as a general rule. That
being said, if pedestrian volumes were really high that could change the
story. What that number is I don't know but consider that the ped phases at
Congress and State in Portland which are lower classifications of roadways
have a concurrent phase even though the ped volume is significantly higher
than at Hannaford in Westbrook. It might make some sense for a blackout
sign at our signal similar to what we have a Main and Bridge.
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 26, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Dennis Marrotte <
dennis.marrotte1111@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Re: Advocacy for Hannaford Crosswalk. Should we include
No Right Turn on Red ? Or would that cause more problems.
If the Winter continues like the past two weeks, we do not want to have
any Pedestrians being caught in a bad situation at that Intersection, most
certainly, a young Father or Mother with children crossing WCD, with
groceries.
Dennis
On Dec 26, 2017 8:43 PM, "John Brooking" <johnbrooking4@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Eric and Ethan,
Hopefully you've noticed some recent discussion on the list about the
pedestrian signal at the crosswalk on William Clarke Drive at Hannaford
Drive. Are you able to give us any initial indication of the effort and
process involved if we wanted to advocate for that to be changed to the
type where vehicular traffic is stopped in all directions while the
pedestrian walk signal is on? (I forget the official name of that.) Thanks
for any advice you can give us.
- John
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