Hi Daniel. That's a tough question ("when is something an objective mockery of an idea?"). A couple of purely abstract thoughts come to mind. 1. If, one day, we found in brain science that the behavior of mockery of an idea resulted in a changed brain chemistry, one might, in theory, develop a scientific accounting of the idea. This seems remotely plausible. How else would mockery occur except by self deceit (dogma) or deceit of others (lying). Surely these behaviors have neuroscientific consequences. 2. Lacking that, however, I believe we are only left with what Wittgenstein described as "connoisseur judgment" (in his work on aesthetics and in other areas). Any connoisseur of a craft can tell you when the craftsmanship is merely poor, versus when it is not the craft in question. And so if judging one day became culturally rogue to what connoisseurs of the craft expect, an indictment among the learned of the craft might serve as an "objective" condemnation. (Of course, this may not work if the art itself is in trouble these days. That's another matter entirely). 3. I think on a more practical level, people very often claim "mockery" when what really exists is reasonable disagreement. So long as disagreement is reasonable, there is no ethical problem. Regards and thanks. Dr. Sean Wilson, Esq. Assistant Professor Wright State University Personal Website: http://seanwilson.org SSRN papers: http://ssrn.com/author=596860 Discussion Group: http://seanwilson.org/wittgenstein.discussion.html ________________________________ From: Daniel Hoffman <guayiya@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: wittrsamr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; conlawprof@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Sean Wilson <whoooo26505@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 5:24:19 PM Subject: Re: [Wittrs] Re: What is "Originalism" [Larry Solum's View] It is obvious that members of this list are divided over questions such as whether the cross is a secular symbol, or whether diversity of background is a valid job qualification. Some may find these close questions, but often one or both sides think the other is 'making a mockery of language." Is there a remotely objective standard for identifying such a mockery? Daniel Hoffman ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/