John Idzikowski, I am trying to visualize what it would be like to be flying with migrating birds on nights with peak concentrations of 20 to 30 dBZ. If, as your slide #12 suggests, there are about 1000 birds per cubic kilometer at a reflectivity of 27 to 28 dBZ, then I am calculating that equals about one bird per cubic football field. I can sort of wrap my head around sitting in the bleachers of a high school stadium and seeing a warbler flying on to the field between the uprights of one goal post and off the field through the other goal post, then as soon as the first warbler is gone another one enters the space. As the reflectively goes up to 30 to 31 dBZ then you double the number of warblers. It's harder for me to imagine what exactly what is going on above my head as I sleep in spring and fall or what I am seeing on radar images. - Just how thick is the layer of migrating birds? Maybe 300 meters or 3 football fields thick?? - How "lumpy" is the distribution of birds as they migrate? Do species or family groups clump together, loosely bound by their special flight calls? - Do different species fly at different enough speeds that some are constantly being overtaken by others? Do most species fly fairly straight? How do they keep from colliding with each other in the dark? Paul Hunter Whitefish Bay, Milwaukee County ------------------------ "Wonder what an 18th century radar must have been like before the white man got here and shot everything up?" Excellent question- Sidney Gauthreaux, our modern father of Nexrad radar and bird migration believes that pre-settlement nocturnal peaks in spring and fall commonly exceeded 40 dbz, especially over what is now Brownsville, Texas; dbz is the standard measurement used to correlate density of birds (or weather) as a function of reflectivity of the radar beam- http://my.execpc.com/CE/5F/idzikoj/nexrad/nexweb/Slide12.JPG -40 dbz calibrates to well over 5000 birds per cubic kilometer. Now the peak over Brownsville reaches 35 regularly during peak times. In Wisconsin 35 dbz is rare but 30-35 occurs at LaCrosse Nexrad once or twice a season and usually a bit more commonly at Duluth where migrants often concentrate avoiding passage over Lake Superior. This fall we are seeing some of the latest heavy nights in excess of 25 dbz that I have ever seen in the 10 plus years that this imagery has been available. The slow west to east movements of weather systems that have apparently held migrants back began with that extraordinary "cut-off" low that stayed in place for a week in late September. John Idzikowski Milwaukee #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn