[wisb] Re: Rare Bird Reporting
- From: Ryan Brady <ryanbrady10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tcwood729@xxxxxxxxx>, <wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:10:19 -0700
This will be my last post on this topic (...I can hear the collective sigh of
relief). Everything I say seems to dig a bigger hole but I just can't let such
confusion reign.
1. In no way am I advocating that photos make write-ups unnecessary - I'm not
even sure how that was construed from anything I wrote.
2. In no way am I advocating that the RC typically gets oodles of
documentations for well-seen rare birds. For example, the Chippewa County
Black-bellied Whistling Duck from last spring was not written up by any of the
many observers. The Pheasant Branch Black-throated Gray Warbler from last
spring was written up by only one person. I could cite many other examples of
cases where everyone expects others who saw the bird will document it and very
few do.
3. Any documentation submitted to WSO for a Review Species, whether the first
or the 20th for an individual bird, will be read, reviewed, voted upon,
archived, and reported on. Nothing you submit will be ignored - ever.
4. My request was 100% specific to the Inca Dove and Scissor-tailed Flycatcher.
We had multiple good photographs and multiple GOOD documentations. The records
are not in doubt. Thus additional write-ups are welcome but not necessary. And
thus I hoped to save you some time and effort. That request has gone miserably
wrong - forget I posted it.
5. Tom, you do great write-ups and their timeliness is very much appreciated.
KEEP IT UP! Don't change a thing.
Ryan Brady
WSO Records Chair (though at this rate maybe not for long)
Washburn, WI
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> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:52:50 -0600
> To: tcwood729@xxxxxxxxx; Wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> From: bettie@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [wisb] Re: Rare Bird Reporting
>
> Tom and All,
>
> Please continue to submit the detailed write-ups explaining why you
> know a bird is what you think it is. Remember "By the Wayside" in
> the Pigeon needs those write-ups. They are a wonderful teaching tool
> for others if done well (as yours are always done well, Tom). Yes,
> we can and do run the beautiful photos in the Pigeon and in "By the
> Wayside" - but the words detail what the observer needs to be looking
> for to know they have a specific species. I new birder would not
> know what the important features are from a beautiful photo only,
> words are still important.
>
> Thanks to all of you for well-written documentations.
>
> Bettie Harriman, Co-Editor
> The Passenger Pigeon
> Oshkosh
>
> At 09:51 PM 11/6/2011, Tom Wood wrote:
> >Steve raises some good points that I had not thought of. It was always
> >stressed to us in the past that everyone who sees a bird should submit a
> >report and
> >not assume that the other observers would send an acceptable report. Its
> >hard to teach an old dog new tricks, but I see his reasoning about the
> >electronoic age. Images such as Dave Freriiks' photos of the Inca Dove and
> >Scissor-tailed Flycatcher go way beyond what is required for documentation .
> >Since most observers now report electronically one way or another , this
> >information is available to almost everyone. I guess my big hangup is that I
> >like to write my
> >report shortly after the sighting and don't want to go through that process
> >if its not going to be looked at. I guess I could just scribble some rough
> >notes
> >and wait to see if anybody sees the bird after I do before writing the
> >report. It appears I have to think this through a bit more. Thanks to Steve
> >for his post.
> >
> >Thomas C Wood,Menomonee Falls, Waukesha County
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: wisbirdn-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wisbirdn-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >On Behalf Of steven lubahn
> >Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:31 PM
> >To: Wisconsin Birding Network
> >Subject: [wisb] Re: Rare Bird Reporting
> >
> >This listserve is a good resource for the records committee. If you end up
> >being the last person to see the bird then it is likely you will either post
> >it to Wisbird or to Ebird. Then your documentation can be used to confirm
> >the late date. Going through a dozen reports on the same bird takes time
> >away from other reports that require more consideration. It's just a waste
> >of valuable time. 50 years ago we didn't have the tools and gadgets we have
> >today to disseminate information all over the place. Arrivals and departures
> >are better recorded now then ever. You probably know when you are looking at
> >a rare bird if your documentation is going to really make a difference
> >especially these days when images are posted almost instantly. It's more
> >important to put the effort in when it counts. Attached is a link that is a
> >helpful outline to follow on submitting a report.
> >
> >http://www.birdfellow.com/journal/2011/01/23/a_lost_art_writing_descriptions
> >_of_rare_birds
> >
> >Steven Lubahn
> >Cudahy
> >
> >
> >On Nov 6, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Jesse Ellis wrote:
> >
> > > They could work backward from the latest/last report. Once they find
> > > an acceptable latest report from which to set a "last seen" date, they
> > > could ignore the earlier reports if initial reports were credible.
> > > Might save the committee some time.
> > > Jesse Ellis,
> > > Madison
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Jym Mooney & Carol Lee Hopkins <
> > > hopmoon@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > >> There is also the question of seasonal reports. The seasonal WSO
> > >> editors have made it clear that they expect documentation for all
> > >> rare birds reported to eBird.
> > >>
> > >> Somewhere there has got to be a happy medium that accommodates the
> > >> scientific collection of data and avoids overwhelming the Records
> > >> Committee.
> > >>
> > >> Jym Mooney, Milwaukee
> > >>
> > >>
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> > > Jesse Ellis
> > > Post-doctoral Researcher
> > > Dept. of Zoology
> > > University of Wisconsin - Madison
> > > Madison, Dane Co, WI
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