Hello all, Armed with a photodiode, a scope, a data translations dt340 I/O board and a single frame target stimulus, we just noticed that the buffer_swap() function swaps buffers not on the next vsync, but on the subsequent one. This means that everything on the CRT is lagged by 1 frame with respect to anything else we have happening in our code. This is the case for both our Intel and AMD systems, with either an ATI or Nvidia card, in Windows 2000. After some disbelief that this was happening, I came across a few indications that OpenGL commands have an inherent latency. A posting by Andrew over a year ago: --- After plenty of trial-and-error with these issues myself, I'm also forced to conclude that the photodiode technique is best for absolute timing accuracy. I have some new (to me) knowledge about OpenGL cards that's not on the website yet: as I understand it, the OpenGL "pipeline" has a driver-dependent duration of a couple of frames, so commands sent to OpenGL don't actually get to the display until a few frames have been drawn. I think this explains the latency you're seeing. I'm still trying to understand this issue, though, so I'd really like to get some feedback from someone who knows (does anyone have any contacts with video card driver experts?). I believe that such asynchronous operation and related issues was on the agenda for improvements in OpenGL 2. However, a recent scan of OpenGL 2 documents (particularly the OpenGL ARB meeting minutes) seems to show diminished interest in this issue. Hopefully I'm wrong, but it appears that all the ARB members are devoting most or all of their resources to vertex and pixel shading. --- The delay I see is only ever a single frame (5 ms), so we might just subtract that constant off at our data collection end. Still, there's a change it could vary. I've searched through the recently released OpenGL 2 spec, and there's no mention of latency. Does anyone know if anything can be done about this? This is quite different from the AGP or PCI bus latency on the system board I gather? Cheers, Martin Spacek PhD student, Graduate Program in Neuroscience Dept. of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences University of British Columbia, Vancouver, BC, Canada +1-604-875-4555 ext. 66282 mspacek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | http://swindale.ecc.ubc.ca ====================================== The Vision Egg mailing list Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/visionegg Website: http://www.visionegg.org/mailinglist.html