I hear you Ian, but you know, I’ve always wondered why some companies care
about accessibility and some don’t. It doesn’t seem to be a money problem at
all in fact, but more an individual sensitivity matter. Who knows if someone at
the top of the pyramid at native instruments ableton or modartt does not have
a close friend or member of his family who is blind. I really wonder.
Cheers,
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Le 5 mai 2022 à 08:36, il@xxxxxxxxxxxxx a écrit :
Hi JP
Kind of interesting, but I think what it does is high-light the problem. If
we tried fighting a battle in the UK, we would probably be confounded by the
fact many of these companies are American. We fight it in the States, other
parts of the World would be left behind. The route of the problem is that
people studying software development at University aren't being made to face
there's a wider World out there that includes people with access issues.
There needs to be a fundamental change in how software development is taught.
If access was included at the beginning of many of these programs we try and
use I'm sure the World would be a more equal place... 😊
Best
Ian
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Hey guys,
there is this website I receive newsletter from every once in a while.
No idea if it could help at all but here is the link.
http://lflegal.com/2015/08/legal-update-summer15/
Forgive me if it's irrelevant.
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Le 05/05/2022 à 03:25, James Malone a écrit :--
Hey Steve, is this update automatic? Ian, can't remember how many times I
went down this road. I even sent spectra sonics to the better business
bureau, and they told me that because of the lack of interest in regards to
us controlling the market they weren't going to make allowances for us. They
even ask me to remove them from the list.
I said no.
Jim
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Hey Ian, I totally feel the pain as well!
I've had this with Spectrasonics before. They just decide to change their
graphics engine with no consultation on the affects it has on their user
base. It's almost as if they're happy to take your money, but then are quite
happy to take away the product you paid for!
All of this is a thankless task and it does make you question why you
do it, but while what I do empowers other VIP's, then I guess I'll try
my best to keep things going, but I do agree, there has to be a
breaking point...and the trouble is, this seems to be happening more
and more with the same old excuses that budgets don't stretch to
accessibility! It's as if we take 2 steps forward and then 3 steps
back!!! 😒😖
Best Steve.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Hi Steve
It makes me so mad, all that work you've put in wiped out in a moment. Not
wanting to sound overly dramatic about this, but, enough is enough. The
lack of access to these 2 bit programs is discriminatory. Enough noise has
been made about access in the last 5 years, they surely can't say they don't
know anything about it. We're getting to the stage where we need to make an
example of one of these software providers and sue their fucking arses...
Really, does anyone out there have a lawyer friend? Would they be
interested in taking this on?
If not sue them, then try and get people to boycott them.
OK, that's out my system.
All the best
Ian
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Hi Floyd.
Oh, gotcha, yes that's the plan. Scripts will be done by the end of today ,
so it's just tidying up the documentation and making videos. I do think
there will be a few different videos, as I want to explain each concept
separately, e.g. navigation, selecting blobs, splitting blobs , removing
separations etc. Also, as the scripts support the stand alone, ARA and
plugin flavours of Melodyne, along with each version, Essential, Assistant,
Editor and Studio, there are some things you can do in 1, but not another,
plus the plugin version has a couple of slight differences, due to what you
need to do after a transfer.
Best Steve.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Hi Steve,
Yup, I got that.
My question is, do you plan to put your scripts up with an 'how to'
video for the Samplitude versions we already have?
I'm still happily using version 5 here.
Perhaps with a charge like Vallahalla?
Thanks,
Floyd...
On 5/4/22, Steve Spamer <stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:--
Hi Floyd.
It's only this latest Melodyne update, which is supposed to be a
minor update BTW that now shows no text on screen for a screen
reader, the previous version is still OK in that regard. So, you can
still use this build in any up to date DAW like Samplitude.
I'm communicating with others to see if there are any avenues to
investigate to see if we can get Celemony to at least make it how it
was prior to this update. I can't see them doing anything major, but
there maybe possibilities that they might consider. They've moved to
a new graphics platform called Skia...and if there are options to add
accessibility using this platform, there might be some hope moving forward.
BTW, the more I read about changes companies are making in regards to
what UI platform they use, the more Apple M1 silicon chips crop up.
Spectrasonics have done it...and I know they did it for this reason,
now it looks like Celemony have also done it. So, it looks like we're
losing accessibility, because of Apple changes 😖.
Best Steve.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Bummer Steve,
This is pretty much what happened with Sonar and CakeTalking.
Do you plan to put up the scripts with a video perhaps for we that
have older versions like with Samplitude 5 or 6?
By the way, Google, though it professes to be the cat's meow for
accessibility has lots and lots of issues in a number of their products.
Thanks for everything you do,
Floyd...
On 5/3/22, Steve Spamer <stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi.--
I'm passing on the information I have regarding Melodyne's latest update.
My
initial thoughts were correct and Celemony have moved to a different
graphics library, hence why Jaws can no longer see any text on
screen at all. I'm not sure if this also has an impact on other
solutions for Melodyne, but it's quite clear that we're at the end
of the road with this product, unless Jaws developers can address
it, or the graphics library in question can be worked on with
accessibility in mind.
Celemony tell me that the V5.1.1.003 version will be available to
anyone who requests it from them, but it won't be available via
their website. This is the last build that text can be seen on
screen. The latest build
(V5.2.0.006) breaks the ability to read text and they have no plans
to rectify this, as they are now sticking with this new library,
which is called Skia.
They did say they would be willing to update the version of Skia
they use, if any work with accessibility is done, as it's open
source, so is available to people to work with. Apparently, Skia is
backed by Google, so I would have thought that accessibility should
be part of it's mandate to deliver that accessibility, but this sort
of stuff is outside of my knowledge and I have no contacts who know
about this sort of thing available at the moment.
I will try to contact dev's at FS or whatever they're called now,
but again, I have no direct contacts there, so I would have thought
it's going to be difficult to raise this problem with the people who
need to know. If anyone thinks they have something to offer with
making Skia support screen readers, or if someone has a contact at
FS I can write to, then please get in touch:
Stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:Stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx>
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