(VICT) Rewards Vs. Punishment; was:Our Latest Adventure: Things I am Still Learning
- From: "Ann Edie" <annedie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:44:03 -0400
Hi, Tami and Everyone,
Remember, we are all crossover trainers. We are all training ourselves to
train our animal partners (and the humans in our lives) in a different, more
positive and effective way. Just as we strive to positively reinforce the
little steps and efforts our animals make in the direction of our training
objectives, so we must remember to reward ourselves for our own baby steps
in the desired direction. As the new habits take root and are reinforced by
the great effects they have on our partnerships, our conviction that we are
on the right path grows, and it becomes easier and more comfortable for us
to "trust the process."
Best,
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: (VICT) Re: Our Latest Adventure: Things I am Still Learning
> Hear! Hear!
>
> Gisele, I'm glad you stuck to your guns and didn't correct the
> old-fashioned
> way.
>
> There will always be people -- instructors or casual passers by -- who
> will
> insist that if you're not "correcting" you're not doing anything and will
> thus feel free to lecture you extensively on how important it is that you
> "really get after that dog" and the like. I used to smile through these
> encounters and imagine myself beating the interfering moron in question
> vigorously about the head and shoulders with my cane. Now I pretty much
> stare grimly at the interfering moron in question and imagine myself
> beating
> him/her over the head with a steel-reinforced bully stick. Sigh.
>
> Okay, so I try to educate first in a calm and courteous manner. After
> that,
> there's not much to do but wait for the dumb jerk to get out of my way so
> I
> can get on with working my dog or getting wherever I was going until they
> came along...
>
> I confess that I've corrected negatively (though not nearly strong enough
> to
> suit!) to appear to be "doing something." I know better, and of course it
> never works. In fact, my dog always reacts badly, so then I have more
> problems to deal with. Then I imagine beating myself vigorously about the
> head and shoulders... /smile/
>
> Hang in there!
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Karyn and
> Thane
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:06 AM
> To: Vi-clicker
> Subject: (VICT) Re: Our Latest Adventure: Things I am Still Learning
>
> Hi Gisele
>
> Thankyou so much for your kind words. They mean a lot to me. We have
> worked
> hard these past 10 months to get here. It is an exhilarating feeling. I
> have
>
> also worked hard on my confidence and willingness to go beyond what I was
> doing with Met- to see what the world had to offer. Though I am paying
> dearly for that trek, the memories it has left me with are priceless.
> The way you handled Katie is the clicker trainer way. Most programs are
> still caught up in the *pop and jerk* mentality being required to learn
> by.
> I think it would be hard working with an instructor who believes that is
> how
>
> they learn. If I were to treat Thane in that manner, he would be totally
> confused and eventually I can see that he could be one that might melt
> down
> from it. He is a softer nature dog (not quite as soft as Met). For us its
> all about making the experience a positive one. Work is made fun this way.
>
> Karyn and Thane
>
>
>
>
>
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