Melinda, that attack sounds so awful. I have heard dogs in an all out fight and it's not pretty!! It's amazing what will happen when a gallon or more of ice cold well water is literally thrown in the face of fighting dogs smile!! Unfortunatley, those buckets are to heavy to carry nowadays smile!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melinda Rauch" <mrauch@xxxxxxxxx> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: (VICT) Alex dog attack. Hi all, Melinda and Smokey, My Mellow Fellow here, I think everyone here has made some very good points. As for guide dog handlers, we are taught to let our dogs go if we are ever in a situation where a fight will happen so they can run away or defend themselves. I've had to do it once, and it wasn't an easy thing to do at all. But if I hadn't April could have been hurt. In our case, the dog who attacked her was a dog we passed everyday during our walk. On the fateful day, we had already passed the house, and I never heard the dog, and April never looked at it, so when it attacked, we were both taken by surprise. If no one here has ever heard an all out dog fight, I hope you never have to! I was absolutely terrified, and the dog's owner stood there yelling for her dog to come, and cursing at it when it wouldn't! How stupid! I still remember it like it was yesterday, and while April got over her fear in time, I don't think I've ever really recovered completely, although I try not to get too freaked out when a dog is around Smokey and me. Take care, and be safe out there! Your friends always, Melinda and Smokey My Mellow Fellow and April, now our angel dog. mrauch@xxxxxxxxx -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/984 - Release Date: 9/2/07 12:59 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/984 - Release Date: 9/2/2007 12:59 PM