O.k. so Judson learned this one over a long period of time before needing it. But Gwenna is unfortunately not getting that luxury. So... since it has been like six years since I did this, how do you train a Down and Under for bus seats, and chairs. She is fine under tables, in crates and the like, but we are having a hard time with buses, particularly positioning her hind feet and tail so they don't get stepped on. She got stepped on yesterday and I don't want her to get skittish when on the bus, but I also want her to tuck her self up under and safely under the bus and Train seats so she doesn't get hurt. I was thinking, particularly since park benches around here are well, not exactly ideal places to train, "Yuck" that I would just try on the buses and see if she could generalize. Was thinking of luring her down into the right position with a liver treat and c/t for the right position. She knows she has to lay down, but doesn't know to tuck herself under the seat. I do have a coffee table I could probably train with here at home, as it is about the right size. Wondering all of your's thoughts. Gwenna is a clicker wise dog, and we do use the clicker in our regular training, I am still highly reinforcing benches, poles, and empty seats, and she is finding things wickedly fast. Just wondering how I would go about training this. Come to think of it, the way the benches are, I usually didn't let Judson sit under them. I could attempt to find a fairly clean one though if that was required. Smile. Thanks for the help. Shelley L. Rhodes M.A., VRT, CTVI and Guinevere, Golden lady Guide juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Alumni Association Board www.guidedogs.com More than Any other time, When i hold a beloved book in my hand, my limitations fall from me, my spirit is free. - Helen Keller