Greetings Don
Not an intrusion at all! Personally, I learn a lot from all the contributions
people make here.
Apart from the standing alone issue, shortforms in websites would be misleading
on a practical level.
For example, if it was possible to use the shortforms for children and first in
a website combining the two words, how would the reader know to type
c-h-i-l-d-r-e-n-f-i-r-s-t and not c-h-n-f-s-t?
In the UEB rule book, section 10.12.3, the example of “brailledocuments”
appears in the middle of the list, with the ED uncontracted – presumably
because the letters appear in different words.
Although I understand what you mean, I’m wary of saying that we use a
contraction “anywhere it occurs” just because we’re likely to find an example
where it’s not used.
Thanks for the list! I’m going to go chew over it again.
All the best
Margaret
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Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Use of contractions in websites
Apologies for the intrusion.
I'd like to ask about a part of Ms Bradshaw's comment about shortforms and
contractions in website/URL names or paths. It is my understanding that
websites/URLs can include shortforms and contractions so long as the use does
not run afoul of the standing-alone rule. That is, it's not a proscription of
the use of shortforms or contractions in URLs, but an application of the
standing-alone rule and other rules.
For example, in LOVELETTERS.ORG<http://LOVELETTERS.ORG>, we would not use the
shortform for LETTTER because the word is (a) not standing alone in this usage,
nor (b) does the word LETTER begin the word.
In CHILDBEREAVEMENT.ORG<http://CHILDBEREAVEMENT.ORG> we would not use the
wordsign for CHILD because it has to be standing alone. We would not use the
contraction for BE because it does not begin the word. We would not use the
final-letter groupsign for MENT because it is only used at the end of a word
(though it can appear with a trailing S). However, we would use the strong
groupsign for ER because we use it anywhere it occurs.
In BRAILLEDOCUMENTS.ORG<http://BRAILLEDOCUMENTS.ORG> we would not use the
wordsign for BRAILLE because -- while it can occur as part of a longer word,
that longer word has to be standing alone. We would not use the final-letter
groupsign for MENT because it is only used at the end of a word (though it can
appear with a trailing S). However, we would use the strong groupsign for ED
because we use it anywhere it occurs.
In THEATREROYAL.ORG<http://THEATREROYAL.ORG> we would use the strong
contraction for THE. However, I don't know if we would also use the strong
groupsign ER, because it is not to be used when it spans compound words (see
`viceroyal` in the exceptions listed in 10.4.1). That said, I have to admit
that its use does not trigger my ire either, but per the UEB rulebook it does
seem to be wrong in this case.
I am more than happy to be taught that any of my assessments are incorrect,
especially with a pointer to the rule or common-usage that helps me understand
my mistake(s).
Best,
_don
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Margaret Bradshaw
<margaret.bradshaw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:margaret.bradshaw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Greetings
We’ve had a few websites recently which have caused us question.
I know that we don’t use shortforms in websites for obvious reasons and, thus,
we sometimes use contractions which look very “wrong” as a result. (For
example, we would use the ER sign in Loveletters.org)
When we have a series of words making up a website, do we ignore the way the
words would or would not be contracted outwith the web scenario – if typing the
website would not be hindered by “bad” contracting – or do we respect the sorts
of rules we would normally use in making contraction decisions?
A couple of recent examples:
Theatreroyal.org
(Duxbury is translating this using the ER contraction. Whilst it looks really
wrong, it actually wouldn’t get in the way of someone using this version as a
reference for finding the site on the web.)
Note: UEB Rulebook 10.12.3 shows the example of c:\brailledocuments\letters.txt
with the ED uncontracted and looks correct.
Childbereavement.org
(You would – of course – not use the BE contraction, but could you use the ER
contraction in “bereavement” in this instance?)
Thoughts?
Thanks in advance
Margaret
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