Saaquib,
Thank you for posting the wording of rule 9.7.2. The 'and' in the first
sentence of the rule is important -- the conditions on both sides of the
'and' must both be satisfied in order to place the typeform terminator as
stated. I will repeat the rule below, with the 'and' underlined. I will
then add some more information that may help to explain the issue.
When it is clear in the print copy that punctuation is not included in a
specific typeform *and* when a typeform terminator is required for other
reasons, place the typeform terminator at the point where the typeform
changes.
Please also see the examples accompanying UEB 9.7.2. You will find that
closing punctuation and commas are placed 'inside' the typeform terminator,
with the exception of a hyphen, dash, and ellipsis.
The important element here is that there is no 'other reason' (e.g., a
reason related to meaning of the passage) to keep the typeform terminator
as reflected in the actual text, so we move it to follow the closing
punctuation or comma.
We do this because it is more cumbersome for a reader when we place a
typeform terminator immediately between a word and following punctuation.
This is especially the case for lower punctuation (i.e., punctuation that
uses only cells 2, 3, 5, and 6).
Hope this helps!
_don
On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 1:37 PM Saaqib Mahmuud <saaqib1978@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear Don, thank you for your reply.
I've just read 9.7.2 in the Rulebook. Here is what it says:
9.7.2. When it is clear in the print copy that punctuation is not included
in a specific typeform and when a typeform terminator is required for other
reasons, place the typeform terminator at the point where the typeform
changes. When there is doubt, except for the hyphen, dash and ellipsis,
consider the punctuation as being included in the typeform.
Now in the example I've referred to in my query, the final full stop is
not part of the name of the newspaper "The Times of India" and so does not
form part of the passage that is to be included in the italic typeform.
Don't you agree? Or, is there something I'm losing sight of?
Regards.
Saaqib
On Sunday, 24 February, 2019, 1:19:28 AM GMT+5, Donald Winiecki <
dwiniecki@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Saaquib,
You will want to refer to UEB 9.7 for more detail about placement of
typeform indicators and terminators. In particular, see UEB 9.7.2 and its
examples.
To provide more detail, in cases such as you describe in your question, it
is less important to be exactly accurate in indicating what is rendered in
a special typeform, than it is to provide a more-readable transcription.
Embedding a typeform terminator between a word and closing punctuation is
considered to be less-readable, so we avoid such a situation by following
UEB 9.7.2.
Hope this helps!
_don
On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 12:48 PM Saaqib Mahmuud <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello once again, my dear UEB mates? How are you?
I'm reading through 13.1.3 in the UEB Rulebook and have come upon the
following example:
The newspapers with the largest circulation are *Yomiuri Shimbun* and *Asahi
Shimbun* from Japan followed by *The Times of India*.
Now here the names of the newspapers are to be italicised of course.
And, as there are four consecutive words in the third newspaper name, so
we have to use the italic passage indicator.
So far so good!
However, when italicising "The Times of India", should the italic passage
mode not terminate BEFORE rather than AFTER the final full stop?
After all, we're in this particular instance only italicising the four
words in the name of the newspaper and not the entire sentence.
Regards.
Saaqib
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